Anne Rice is no longer a Christian

[Tuffdisc]

Originally Posted by TheTinGirl

Why should they be forced to love each other as just friends if the love they feel for each other is also sexual?

I wouldn't give a damn about organized religion if it didn't keep other people from living their lives the way they want to.
Such as the gay marriage thing. The number one argument that's always referred to instantaneously is the one Peter quoted. To me marriage should be a governmental contract because it has financial benefits, among many others. To deny two consenting adults the same right to those benefits because the bible says so, or even because it makes a few people uncomfortable is a horrible mix between church and state, which isn't allowed any other time.

Just because you don't see love in a homosexual couple doesn't mean they don't feel it.

Having someone else tell you that you can't marry your partner is absurd. If people would just stop worrying about what other people are doing life would be so much better.

And I'm only Bi, not even a full on lesbian.

Who is forcing you to love one another? I am not quite getting your point there, there is nothing in the Bible about forcing another person to one another, if that was the case, do you think that Christ himself, with all the powers that he had at his disposal would of forced you to love another person in a non sexual way?

[SammyStephens]

Originally Posted by Tuffdisc

Who is forcing you to love one another? I am not quite getting your point there, there is nothing in the Bible about forcing another person to one another, if that was the case, do you think that Christ himself, with all the powers that he had at his disposal would of forced you to love another person in a non sexual way?

I think you missed her point entirely, Your whole argument is based on the assumption that homosexual love for their partners is lesser than the love heterosexual partners have. Frankly, from the homosexual people I do know, they seem to get along much better than the average heterosexual couple. It is not the forcing of homosexuals to not love each other, it is denying them human rights because of their sexuality, love, or whatever you call it through legislation. Adultery is also a sin according to the bible, why aren't Christians trying to legislate adulterers from getting married or re-married?

I have no problem with religions, but I have a very low threshold for those who try to legislate their religious beliefs. If does not go with liberty or freedom. I do think it is idiotic for Miss Rice to change her beliefs based on the actions of others, you believe what you believe or you don't Had she found something in the scriptures that made her change her beliefs, that would be different and understandable. However, she is free to believe whatever she wants on whatever grounds. But wen things start getting serious for me is when laws that prohibit others from freedom are imposed on people, then I got a problem, and I have to agree with Anne Rice there, if it is against your religion, don't partake in the activity, but keep that shit out of the government

[Tuffdisc]

Originally Posted by SammyStephens

I think you missed her point entirely, Your whole argument is based on the assumption that homosexual love for their partners is lesser than the love heterosexual partners have. Frankly, from the homosexual people I do know, they seem to get along much better than the average heterosexual couple. It is not the forcing of homosexuals to not love each other, it is denying them human rights because of their sexuality, love, or whatever you call it through legislation. Adultery is also a sin according to the bible, why aren't Christians trying to legislate adulterers from getting married or re-married?

I have no problem with religions, but I have a very low threshold for those who try to legislate their religious beliefs. If does not go with liberty or freedom. I do think it is idiotic for Miss Rice to change her beliefs based on the actions of others, you believe what you believe or you don't Had she found something in the scriptures that made her change her beliefs, that would be different and understandable. However, she is free to believe whatever she wants on whatever grounds. But wen things start getting serious for me is when laws that prohibit others from freedom are imposed on people, then I got a problem, and I have to agree with Anne Rice there, if it is against your religion, don't partake in the activity, but keep that shit out of the government

Everyone is capable of the same love, I did not eschew the fact that homosexuals love each other lesser, I am arguing on the basis of the sexuality alone

I have no problems with people doing whatever they like in their lives, it is when they start moaning about anything that Christians say about their sexuality. Personally I have never had any cause to believe any scientists on this planet who says that their sexuality is normal, when I clearly see the reproductions of not only humans, but of wildlife..it annoys me a bit when they start bemoaning and calling Christians homophobic, just because of what Christians believe

[SammyStephens]

Originally Posted by Tuffdisc

Everyone is capable of the same love, I did not eschew the fact that homosexuals love each other lesser, I am arguing on the basis of the sexuality alone

I have no problems with people doing whatever they like in their lives, it is when they start moaning about anything that Christians say about their sexuality. Personally I have never had any cause to believe any scientists on this planet who says that their sexuality is normal, when I clearly see the reproductions of not only humans, but of wildlife..it annoys me a bit when they start bemoaning and calling Christians homophobic, just because of what Christians believe

Article on the homosexuality and genetics

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1925



I agree that just because someone is a christian, it does not make them a homophobes. However, if you have had problems finding scientist considering homosexuality a normal part of nature, you have not been looking very hard. A blowjob doesn't cause reporducing, nor does jerking off, does that make those activities unnatural too?

[Minor Axis]

Originally Posted by Tuffdisc

it annoys me a bit when they start bemoaning and calling Christians homophobic, just because of what Christians believe

Some are, maybe some are not. All your really hear from are the ones that are.

[TheTinGirl]

Trust me the only reason you would hear anyone moaning about what Christians believe is because they try to impose it on other people. Otherwise we wouldn't care.

My point is this: everyone has a right to live their life the way they want as long as it doesn't harm anyone else.
Saying something is not ok because it's not 'normal' is grossly ignorant because for these people their feelings are as normal to them as yours are to you.

[Codrus]

Originally Posted by Codrus

Christianity is for Sinner's

like my new bumper sticker?

there...hows that?

[TheTinGirl]

Originally Posted by Codrus

there...hows that?

Very nice xD

[Peter Parka]

Originally Posted by Tuffdisc

It is, how can two people of the same sex having be normal? Love is often touted as the excuse, but I don't see love, all I see it is their sexuality, nothing about love otherwise they wouldn't be called homosexuals if they didn't have sex, and only loved each other as friends

Originally Posted by Tuffdisc

.it annoys me a bit when they start bemoaning and calling Christians homophobic, just because of what Christians believe

Yeah, how dare anyone interpret this as being homophobic.

[Tuffdisc]

Originally Posted by SammyStephens

Article on the homosexuality and genetics

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1925



I agree that just because someone is a christian, it does not make them a homophobes. However, if you have had problems finding scientist considering homosexuality a normal part of nature, you have not been looking very hard. A blowjob doesn't cause reporducing, nor does jerking off, does that make those activities unnatural too?

Homosexuality in animals doesn't prove it is normal, neither does genetics, because that is just too vague to say things like that

[TheTinGirl]

Originally Posted by Tuffdisc

Homosexuality in animals doesn't prove it is normal, neither does genetics, because that is just too vague to say things like that

So proof that animals in the wild that have no hidden agenda is too vague?
What kind of proof are you looking for?

[Tuffdisc]

Originally Posted by TheTinGirl

So proof that animals in the wild that have no hidden agenda is too vague?
What kind of proof are you looking for?

Oh the holy grail of proof, the definitive proof that I can't argue that it doesn't mean it is too vague, will that be enough?

[TheTinGirl]

Originally Posted by Tuffdisc

Oh the holy grail of proof, the definitive proof that I can't argue that it doesn't mean it is too vague, will that be enough?

Lovely sarcasm. I guess we're done here?

[Tuffdisc]

With that kind of remark, you haven't got any, oh well

[TheTinGirl]

Well if science and nature aren't enough I don't really know where else to go. And I'm sure my own personal experience wouldn't be enough either. But why should I try to convince anyone who's against homosexuality otherwise? Why are a group of people allowed to take rights from another group of people because they don't agree with it? Why do religious people give a damn if a large number of people go to hell? Maybe there will be bigger floor plans in heaven?