wednesday

congrats peter you made me pmsl when im in a foul mood. reppedd x

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lumpenstein

Maybe it was linskyjerk, asshole extraordinaire.

TheOriginalJames

NEVER in the history of STEEL structure building has a fully loaded 757 that took off less an hour earlier hit a STEEL structure building with full fuel capacity.

BadBoy@TheWheel

I might have to jump in here and back you up James....Just lemme know, calculator is out of it's case

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TheOriginalJames

Now one can argue that a bomber hit the Empire state building in the 50s and it didn't collapse. But you have to look at how the ESB (full metal square skeleton) was built compared to the WTC towers (central skeleton with "skin" supporting the weight with the floors being bolted on both sides only by trusses), and also take into account the size of the planes that hit them. The B57? fighter pales in comparison to the size of a 757.

gLing

It was a B-25 bomber that hit the empire state building in 1945 but it's still a much smaller plane and wasn't loaded with jet fuel.

BadBoy@TheWheel

Right, and metal fatigue. Putting it briefly when I was in design (In the refining industry, not civil) we had to do studies on metal fatigue, this was to ensure that the structures that were being built could withstand a certain amount of heat, for a certain duration to prevent possible collapse.

Structural steel can behave strange when it experiences impact followed by a fire.

JP-5/6 (Jet fuel) a.k.a. Kerosene has a lot of BTU's I would imagine the temperature at its hottest point in either tower exceeded 700 degrees F.

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CMDxAbsolution

Meh, I cant buy into the fact that the govt set up 911. All the eveidence provided in the two conspiracy theory dvds Ive seen are consequential.

But I will tell you this....if you want to shady shit that the government does, look at the Oklahoma City bombing.

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BadBoy@TheWheel

I don't personally think the government was in on it.

Bush can't put together a coherent sentence let alone a plan involving moving parts

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CMDxAbsolution

Well, Bush doesnt necesarily have anything to do with it. I dont think that Bush has much to do with anything. Hes the money and the figurehead, thats it.

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BadBoy@TheWheel

It was an attempt at sarcasm...nothing else

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Minor Axis

Actually your party beat the Democrats to the punch.

Inept as he may be he was able to create endorse promote and initiate a sham war and piss away a trillion dollars faster than any of his predecessors.

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"I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of Men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the Age of Men comes crashing down, but it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!"

TheOriginalJames

The third video down... how can people be so ignorant? You see small plumes coming out of the side of the buildings. Yes, explosions that small are going to bring an entire building down, when it's already collapsing.

When you take an area of enclosed space and rapidly decrease it's size (as one floor falls on another), the weakest spot is going to give out due to extreme pressure and displacement. It's not an explosion.


Then they showed a video being purposely demo'd. I saw no plumes? hmm...

When you demo a building you explode devices at the base of the building, not 70 stories up. I'm really really getting tired of these 9/11 conspiracy theories. It's getting old, and after 7 years no one has any concrete irefuttable evidence.

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Onions

What ever happened to revolutions? In history, when governments led their people astray, those people would rise up in revolution and take back their dignity, rights, lives, and thoughts... now, they sit back and eat up that crap that is given to them. With what went on 7 years ago, you'd think that people would have woken up by now to what they united states government has been doing. It's not a conspiracy theory any more. With all the information that has been forced out over the past 7 years regarding the genocidal attacks on the united states, why does everyone still do nothing? Where are those with the means for change? We need people to revolt and take back their country. Forget democracy, it's never worked before and it doesn't work now. Democracy has always failed as a form of government. I would gladly follow any dictator who can overthrow the pathetic excuses that now hold office in the united states.
On a side note, I hope that all of those Bush followers out there realize that the man is copying Hitler to nearly a 'T'. Hitler blew up a government building and then pinned it on another country in order to begin his war. Bush blew up 3 to start his.