Minor Axis

Whose guitar is that in your sig, yours? What kind is it?

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Breath

This will never happen. The traditions concerning the ties to Rome are unbreakable.

GraceAbounds

Catholics refer to people; people are people.

Now if you'd ask what I think of the Catholic religion, I'd say been there, done that, read my Bible and left the Catholic Church. Why? They taught things that were not in the Bible, there was too much emphasis on the hierarchy/the Pope, too much emphasis on work/deeds earning salvation vs. salvation being a gift from God that we can not earn lest we boast, having a priest as a mediator ... Christ is my mediator, not a man, etc. etc., too much to list that just doesn't fly with me ... The religion just starts setting up man rules and regs outside the parameters that God/Christ/Spirit gave us and looking exactly like what Jesus came to abolish ... it is just too much regulated religion for me.

Other people thrive in it and that is good. There are many parts of the body and all are useful.

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Breath

This comes from Jesus himself choosing Peter as a leader, a first Pope,
...from Jesus himself choosing Apostles, mere mortal men to help him teach,
...from Jesus himself telling men to forgive sins and they will be forgiven in Heaven,
...from Jesus himself telling men to "Do this in Memory of me".
Jesus Himself established the criteria of priests and the Pope to lead his Church. Catholicism doesn't teach that you can reach God through men. Catholics don't pray to priests to reach God. But we come together as a community because "when two or more are gathered in His name", and priests have been Jesus' chosen way to help guide spirituality.

GraceAbounds

As I see it, when Christ died, the curtain was torn. We need not man as a mediator. I agree with what you posted, but again like I said ... it was too ritualistic and legalistic for ME. It was also too guilt ridden for me as well. Guilt wasn't going to change me, it only served to condemn me. God's love changes me. That was my own personal experience as I stated. Again, there are many parts of the body and all are useful.

If you enjoy worshiping in a Catholic church that is great ... it just isn't for me. That is not attack on any of my brothers or sisters in Christ. I don't think you or I are any less saved because you go to a Catholic church and I do not ... which is what really matters, so there should be no divide of love.

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Fox Mulder

Fixed that for you.

NicAuf

When I think Catholic, I think of one thing.....money hungry

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Fox Mulder

Also think of the largest charitable donation organization in the world. Guess that slipped by ya.

dazner

Cathoics are the largest Religious group in the world behind muslims aren't they?

Look what I meant was when I was 16 I stopped going to my local Catholic church, this Prodestant (or whatever) priest came up to me at a grocery store and told me that god is not a place but god. He can be worshiped anywhere under any religion but he is real. After that I didn't go to one particular church anymore instead I felt what it was like at all of them. I went to Lutheran churchs, Catholic, Prodestant, and even a muslim faith center once. It's amazing how insimular and simular they all are but one thing is true they still believe in a higher being.

I guess I phrased my question wrong to begin with.

If I don't believe in one church but there is strong persausion to stick with the Catholic church for my sons religious upbringing what is your opinion?


damn I hate typing.

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Minor Axis

I'm really surprised the moderators allow you to alter a post to get your digs in, in an off-topic manner. And it's not the first time you've veered the discussion by throwing in off topic comments intended to inflame. It does nothing to further the discussion and fortunately I'm immune to your infantile tactics.

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Minor Axis

I see that as a problem with many (most?) religions. The bureaucracy lets the power go to their heads. I guess that is a human tendency.

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"I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of Men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the Age of Men comes crashing down, but it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!"

GraceAbounds

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Fox Mulder

Whine, whine, whine--typical liberal. I'm surprised the moderators allow you to accuse the Catholic Church of being corrupt without a shred of evidence to support it. Every discussion with you turns intp a discussion about corruption and corrupt organizations--Catholics are corrupt, Republicans are corrupt, business owners are corrupt, corporations are corrupt, executives are corrupt, and on and on and on--seemingly the entire world save the Democrat leadership and working class people are corrupt! :rolleyes

You veered off the topic to begin with--it wasn't a discussion about the Catholic Church, it was about Catholics and their faith, which has absolutely nothing to do with corrupt administrators in Rome (as Breath correctly pointed out). If you want to hurl unfounded accusations, then be prepared to get them hurled back.

What's the saying: "People who live in glass houses . . . " :rolleyes

BTW--stop trying to make every discussion into some sort of attack on you in the hopes that moderators will shut down any voice of dissent. You have no reluctance to voice very strong negative opinions about groups that include people on this board, including myself. Yet you don't have the stomach to deal with anyone calling you on it. If you can't take the heat get our of the kitchen. If you want to accuse people, groups, etc. of corruption, that's a serious allegation with serious implications--its one you shouldn't make without support or without expecting to be taken to task on it.

BadBoy@TheWheel

Looks like a question there Foxy....Looks like he was asking what folks thought of Catholics

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Fox Mulder

Yes, and I don't care, frankly if he wants to talk about wetting the bed as a kid in this thread (he's the one that complained about being off topic, not me). I simply pointed out that when you start hurling BIG stones like this:

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He should expect a spirited response. All I did was remind him that the unions he thinks are so high and mighty are some of the most corrupt organizations in the world. That doesn't make every union member misguided or every union administrator corrupt nor should any person or member be judged on those standards.

Seriously--my post wasn't any more or less off topic than his was--it was simply using analogy to point out to him how wrong his post was. Would it be any different if I just told him he was full of shit? I thought my post was a lot more diplomatic!