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Old 08-27-2008, 08:33 PM   #91
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Well you are the one who laughs at any source you don't agree with so yes. lol


Try reading what I said. lol



You didn't read much. Any healthcare system ran by a government is low quality. You should know this.



The only difference is the degree of oppression. Why would you want a government to have that much control and why would you believe giving them that control leaves you with a democratic option?
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This was pointed out in what I posted. A socialist economy cannot be self sustaining. You can hold it off for a while but in the end it collapses.
Better get out while you can Strickland.

She has you boxed into a corner.

And you are punching like a girlie boy trying to get out
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Old 08-27-2008, 08:35 PM   #92
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Well you are the one who laughs at any source you don't agree with so yes. lol
The Von Mises Institute is a joke. They're nothing more than a biased think-tank. Certainly no suitable source for news.


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Try reading what I said. lol
You made an asinine comment about China claiming to be a democracy too. Nothing more than a straw man which is quite pathetic, actually. It's much akin to the people who compare Hitler to Bush.



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You didn't read much. Any healthcare system ran by a government is low quality. You should know this.
No, I read the whole thing and you had no proof that the quality was low.



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The only difference is the degree of oppression. Why would you want a government to have that much control and why would you believe giving them that control leaves you with a democratic option?
They don't have that much control. They pay for people's hospital visits and general welfare when it's needed. As such, how can the government then become a totalitarian nightmare? That's just paranoid nonsense.

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Better get out while you can Strickland.

She has you boxed into a corner.

And you are punching like a girlie boy trying to get out
If you think she's winning with her straw men arguments you're just as delusional as she.

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Old 08-27-2008, 08:44 PM   #93
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If you think she's winning with her straw men arguments you're just as delusional as she.
Those in denial are always the last to figure it out so we will give you some more time.

you did not pass reading comprehension did you?
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You made an asinine comment about China claiming to be a democracy too. Nothing more than a straw man which is quite pathetic, actually. It's much akin to the people who compare Hitler to Bush.
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And yet you've provided no proof that Denmark is any less democratic due to their excellent welfare system.


Response by Gling Who said anything about democracy? Even China has claims to democracy.
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The Von Mises Institute is a joke. They're nothing more than a biased think-tank. Certainly no suitable source for news.
Because you disagree with them. lol

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You made an asinine comment about China claiming to be a democracy too. Nothing more than a straw man which is quite pathetic, actually. It's much akin to the people who compare Hitler to Bush.
You were talking about democracy in a socialist nation. Well guess what, China claims they have democracy too but it isn't true. It does not exist in socialism or communism.


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No, I read the whole thing and you had no proof that the quality was low.
You're right. I guss people with money running to the US to get medical treatment isn't proof enough. Not to mention I have yet in my entire life seen proof that socialized medicine has produced anything better ever. lol


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They don't have that much control. They pay for people's hospital visits and general welfare when it's needed. As such, how can the government then become a totalitarian nightmare? That's just paranoid nonsense.
Yes they do. Take a look at the UK's pretty healthcare and what they are proposing.
The sad thing is here in the US some health insurances are following their example. Acting like little governments of their own.


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If you think she's winning with her straw men arguments you're just as delusional as she.
So far you have nothing. Doesn't mean I win it just means you have well... nothing.
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The Von Mises Institute is a joke. They're nothing more than a biased think-tank. Certainly no suitable source for news.
That'a a major problem you have right there--why in the world would you think a journalist would be competent to discuss complex economic analysis? Would you trust a journalist or Steven Hawkings when discussing String Theory? What about Albert Einstein on the theory of Relativity or Darwin on the Theory of Evolution. The problem with liberals is you listen to much to the liberal bullshit that journalists are turning out. If you don't trust Mises, then go to some other economic institute -- there are plenty of credible ones, but for Godsakes don't rely on journalists.
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As opposed to the conservatives who listen to conservative bullshit because it falls in line with their perception of the perfect world, like your are some clear minded independent thinker.
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That'a a major problem you have right there--why in the world would you think a journalist would be competent to discuss complex economic analysis? Would you trust a journalist or Steven Hawkings when discussing String Theory? What about Albert Einstein on the theory of Relativity or Darwin on the Theory of Evolution. The problem with liberals is you listen to much to the liberal bullshit that journalists are turning out. If you don't trust Mises, then go to some other economic institute -- there are plenty of credible ones, but for Godsakes don't rely on journalists.

I would in fact trust Steven Hawkings on Sting Theory

I think you meant trust a journalist OVER Steven

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As opposed to the conservatives who listen to conservative bullshit because it falls in line with their perception of the perfect world, like your are some clear minded independent thinker.
I listen to facts--you listen to rhetoric (it takes logical and coherent thought to know the difference). We would have a debate right now about any number of topics and by the end of it, you'd be embarrassed because all you know how to do is spout rhetoric with no facts to back any of it up. When pressed--you can't defend it.
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I listen to facts--you listen to rhetoric (it takes logical and coherent thought to know the difference). We would have a debate right now about any number of topics and by the end of it, you'd be embarrassed because all you know how to do is spout rhetoric with no facts to back any of it up. When pressed--you can't defend it.
I've not been embarrassed yet. Most of your posts consist of conservative pseudo facts with a healthy does of conservative spin, topped with your own conservative opinion, yet these are put forth as the "facts" when they are mostly just pushing your social agenda.
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I've not been embarrassed yet. Most of your posts consist of conservative pseudo facts with a healthy does of conservative spin, topped with your own conservative opinion, yet these are put forth as the "facts" when they are mostly just pushing your social agenda.
Yes, the effects of unions on a free market system is a "conservative" fact!

The federal case law relating to FISA and foriegn wire taps is a "conservative" fact!

The average CEO salary (1 to 3 million) is a "conservative" fact!

The effect unions have had on the Automobile Industry and Detroit is a "conservative" fact!

Seriously--you can't point to one "fact" you've posted here--all you post is AFL-CIO pamphlet rhetoric.

Pick any subject you want to discuss and we'll debate it and we'll see which of us posts more facts.
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I listen to facts--you listen to rhetoric (it takes logical and coherent thought to know the difference). We would have a debate right now about any number of topics and by the end of it, you'd be embarrassed because all you know how to do is spout rhetoric with no facts to back any of it up. When pressed--you can't defend it.
I would have to say that this your biggest fault when it comes to debating. It seems you cannot debate or even participate in this section without belittling those you disagree with. The insults you throw out take away from any credibility that your words may carry. And as far as facts go, they can be twisted and manipulated to support any side of an argument.

As much as I disagree with you on many points, I still love to hear from both sides. It just gets harder and harder to read your posts while you continue to belittle and insult your opponents.
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I've not been embarrassed yet.
Because you don't know enough to know how much you really don't know. You're just a union mouth piece spouting union rhetoric that you've been coached and told to regurgitate--its like a religious cult--indoctrinate people with as much bullshit as you can.

Like I said before--I have no personal stake in my views--I poist about economics, accounting, and law--subjects I know a lot about--and I quote fact. Unless you are posting about how the flaps work on a plane, you are pretty much just shooting from the hip.
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I would have to say that this your biggest fault when it comes to debating. It seems you cannot debate or even participate in this section without belittling those you disagree with. The insults you throw out take away from any credibility that your words may carry. And as far as facts go, they can be twisted and manipulated to support any side of an argument.

As much as I disagree with you on many points, I still love to hear from both sides. It just gets harder and harder to read your posts while you continue to belittle and insult your opponents.
You misconstrue effective analysis of issues as "belittling" or "insulting." An opinion is worthless unless it can be logically and coherently supported. The problem with some people is they think that no one should challenge their opinion. How do you have an effective debate or flush our the real issues without challenging an opinion? :

BTW--you won't see any opininion that has good factual support belittled--its impossible.
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you're just a union mouth piece
And your closed minded. Some how I don't think you'll be able to shake the annoying habit of attacking people because you don't like their ideas.
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I would have to say that this your biggest fault when it comes to debating. It seems you cannot debate or even participate in this section without belittling those you disagree with. The insults you throw out take away from any credibility that your words may carry. And as far as facts go, they can be twisted and manipulated to support any side of an argument.

As much as I disagree with you on many points, I still love to hear from both sides. It just gets harder and harder to read your posts while you continue to belittle and insult your opponents.
By the way, you quoted this:

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I listen to facts--you listen to rhetoric (it takes logical and coherent thought to know the difference). We would have a debate right now about any number of topics and by the end of it, you'd be embarrassed because all you know how to do is spout rhetoric with no facts to back any of it up. When pressed--you can't defend it.
and accussed me of insutling and belittling (preumably Minor), yet my post was in response to this:

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As opposed to the conservatives who listen to conservative bullshit because it falls in line with their perception of the perfect world, like your are some clear minded independent thinker.
So how is it that my reply was any different in kind or tone or implication than Minors?
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