Donnajoe

So, well... well okay I hope this conversation doesn't stir up a controversy or anything, but it's something I've sorta had on my mind. And frankly, I'd rather ask it here than at a Christian forum, because from my experience, Christian forums can be quite biased and don't allow you to talk in a way that disagrees with their strong opinions.

So anyway, here is my question: What is the true cause of conception, in your opinion? God allowing for a baby to be formed in a mother's womb, or just sex without precautions (such as birth control or condoms)? The reason I am asking is because I've heard some Christian pastors/speakers insist that God is the one who "opens up the womb" and allows a baby to form, and that babies are a precious gift from God.

However, I'm not sure what to think about this in some ways, because... well, what about rape victims who get pregnant? Am I supposed to think that, by this logic, rape victims first get victimized by having sex forced on them, then if they get pregnant it's a "gift"?

Therefore, I think I would have to conclude... sex just makes babies, period. And God probably didn't intend for some babies to come into existence at all in His original plan, but since all humans are His children, He makes a plan for them anyway. And as for the women in the Bible who had trouble conceiving children, such as Rachel (Jacob's wife) well, some women just aren't fertile, or they have trouble getting pregnant. I think it happens even to this day, but it still is possible for them to conceive after time perhaps, especially (in my opinion anyway) with God's help. After all, I believe Rachel *prayed* for a baby, then got one.

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Minor Axis

There is no definitive answer for your question, just opinion.

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Donnajoe

Yeah, you're right there :/ I think that's the problem with this sort of question sometimes... all that one can do is toss around ideas and debate opinions, heh. Although that can be fun >.>

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GraceAbounds

Just because mankind explores and discovers and learns and understands how some things work, which is how we were created to be and do, doesn't mean that what we have come to learn and understand is not still the work of God. Yes, God opens the womb and is the creator of life. He is life.

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Mystic

wow...have they really? well if thats the case then God sure likes to pick a lot of welfare, alcoholic, smoking, useless as a tit on a witch people to have babies. The largest families I see around here are those that don't bother to get a job and live off welfare and mother allowances just counting the days to their next free dish-out of money.

I don't think 'god' has anything to do with conception. Its an actual choice made by the persons involved...unless of course those two twits are drunk or drugged out of their skulls to care whether or not they use protection.

I think believing in god as doing something like that is like believing the stork drops the baby off when its time to give birth or that Santa/father Christmas actually does come down the chimney to put prezzies under the tree.

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RecklessTim

It is the union of a sperm and an egg, period. There is no supernatural force going on behind the scenes here. This is plain and simple science that they can duplicate all day long in a petri dish in a lab. When you put sperm and an egg together, you get conception.

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Minor Axis

But Tim, it was God who put all the little do-dads together from his cosmic construction set, atoms, proteins, amino acids, and such to allow the miracle of life, don't you know that?? Now if I just knew who/what God is...

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All Else Failed

In a Christian's eyes, all life is a gift. So yes, a rape baby is still a gift since life is the "Ultimate gift".


You can't really have "didn't intend" in the same sentence as "god". God intends all things, supposedly.


Anyways, the story of Rachel can hardly be seen as evidence of prayer relieving her of infertility. There is no evidence behind it. Reproductive matters happen due to internal, external and environmental factors.

Minor Axis

Your assuming she was not agreeable to the arraignment. I have no idea pro or con.

Do you actually think evidence is needed when talking about miraculous events especially when written thousands of years ago? Who needs any stink'n evidence?

Simple, neat, and comforting.

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