Temperamental

No, they are not true Muslims. A true Muslim would follow the Qurans teachings.

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Sylviane88

Hi valley, here you again call misleading propaganda about Islam !!!

The Battle of Badr was not ordered by Muhammad. He (and muslims) just decided to recover their money taken (stolen) by the infidels of Qureish. by objecting the route of a commercial convoy of these infidels (Qureish) ... Qureish infidels decided to prevent Muhammad from doing so by sending their "army" ... But the convoy had changed its way ... and Muhammad (and muslims) decided to retreat ...However, the army of infidels wanted to attack Muslims in their city "Medina" ... therefore, Muslims decided to defend themselves ... the Battle happened in "Badr" and the muslims won (with less than 300 man ! ... against more than 1000 man from the infidels of Qureish)

Valley ! from your posts, I saw that you hate Islam for nothing!!! Try to save yourself from the brain-washing operations before it will be too late !!

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Originally Posted by Valley I have a question. Does the word "misguided" here imply that terrorists are true Muslims or not?

Valley;
some of these terrorists are not muslims (althought they say they are muslims) ... most of them are zionists (for example Al-Quaida) ... The purpose of these Zionists is to make Islam seems to be a religion of terrorism only !!! Why bin laden was not caught till today ?!!! (however Seddam was caught in less than one year !!) ... The whole matter is an evil conspiracy against Islam.
sooner or later I will prove that the 9/11 events were made by Zionists (jews). I have all the proofs but when I'll have enough time I'll show you the full investigation about this conspiracy.

100/100 true ...
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Temperamental, Thank you for this useful topic

Cordially - Sylviane

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GraceAbounds

*bump*

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valley

I do not hate Muslims. I simply question the morality of your prophet Muhammad and I believe that Muslims have been deceived by his teachings. There is no hatred involved in that...just a ton of unanswered questions, is all.

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Sylviane88

What teachnigs do you mean ?!!!

here are Muhammad's teachings:

The Religion of Islam - Category: Systems in Islam

The Religion of Islam - Category: Pearls from His Sayings

I've already said: save yourself from the brain-washing operations

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valley

Here are some other of Muhammad's teachings:

Satan farts
Satan pees in people's ears
Yawning is from Satan
Allah likes sneezing and hates yawning
Satan lives in your nose at night and you get rid of him by squirting water up your nose in the morning

Sorry but the Hadith speaks for itself and I cannot even begin to imagine how any of these teachings can be explained in a reasonable way.

1.582: Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "When the Adhan is pronounced Satan takes to his heels and passes wind with noise during his flight in order not to hear the Adhan. When the Adhan is completed he comes back and again takes to his heels when the Iqama is pronounced and after its completion he returns again till he whispers into the heart of the person (to divert his attention from his prayer) and makes him remember things which he does not recall to his mind before the prayer and that causes him to forget how much he has prayed."

2.245: Narrated 'Abdullah :

A person was mentioned before the Prophet and he was told that he had kept on sleeping till morning and had not got up for the prayer. The Prophet said, "Satan urinated in his ears."

4.492: Narrated 'Abdullah:

It was mentioned before the Prophet that there was a man who slept the night till morning (after sunrise). The Prophet said, "He is a man in whose ears (or ear) Satan had urinated."

4.509: Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "Yawning is from Satan and if anyone of you yawns, he should check his yawning as much as possible, for if anyone of you (during the act of yawning) should say: 'Ha', Satan will laugh at him."

8.242: Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "Allah likes sneezing and dislikes yawning, so if someone sneezes and then praises Allah, then it is obligatory on every Muslim who heard him, to say: May Allah be merciful to you (Yar-hamuka-l-lah). But as regards yawning, it is from Satan, so one must try one's best to stop it, if one says 'Ha' when yawning, Satan will laugh at him."

4.516: Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "If anyone of you rouses from sleep and performs the ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out thrice, because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night."

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groundpounder

*rebump*

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Sylviane88

Valley, are you coptic ?

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valley

I had to go look up the word "coptic" to figure out what you were asking. But the answer, based on my understanding of what I read, is a strong "no, I am not coptic".

Sylviane, 2 members have been asking you repeatedly to answer a question regarding issues of oppression in Islam. Will you please address their concerns?

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Temperamental

Among the many topics of interest to non-Muslims, the status of Muslim women and the theme of their rights -- or rather, the perceived lack of them – seems to be foremost. The media’s portrayal of Muslim women, usually outlining their “oppression and mystery” seems to contribute to this negative perception.


The main reason for this is that people often fail to distinguish between culture and religion -- two things that are completely different. In fact, Islam condemns oppression of any kind whether it is towards a woman or humankind in general.

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(Link) IslamWeb - Are Muslim women oppressed?

(Link)
Oppression from an Islamic Perspective - IslamonLine.net - Ask The Scholar

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Minor Axis

Muslim women are second class citizens in fundamentalist Middle East countries for 1)religious or 2) cultural reasons. If it's cultural and the religion does not condone it, then why are they still second class citizens? Most likely it's the same as with most religions, the followers pick and choose want they want to follow because that is what imperfect humans do.

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GraceAbounds

Sorry Tempermental, but I do not find your answer satisfactory. I don't want links and copy and pastes; I wanted words from a Muslim believer.

The Muslim religion is intertwined heavily with the politics of that country thus creating and contributing greatly to much of the culture. You have Muslim leaders making the country's decisions and passing the laws of the land. Do those decisions and laws resemble decisions and laws that a Muslim would find in line with their faith? Do Muslims serve God first or their culture? Aren't they too suppose to be in this world but not of it? There is something inherently wrong in these regions; and the oppression of women is not the only type of oppression involved (obvious).

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Sylviane88

Hi GraceAbounds

I find the links given by Temperamental very interesting ! ... not just a copy and paste (like you say) !!! ... you said you'dwanted words from a Muslim believer ... indeed, these links lead to "words" by muslim believer. he said: ask the scholars!

what do you need more ?!!! if you're really interested by the matter, do it now! ask the scholars. there are so many islamic websites with help by online chat. if you want, I can give you some.

but, now:

do you know the real opression of women ?

it is the "war" against "al-hijab" in the west ! ... they (the governments) force the muslims women to take off their veils in public places. althought those women say it's their choice. and this stupid war happens only against muslims !!! why not with other religions !!! is this the freedom ?

do you know the real opression of the non-muslim women in the non-islamic communities ?

it is destroying their life by selling/buying them just like goods.

it is destroying their life, honor and chastity by forcing them to work in the Pornographic channels and websites.

do you know that in the most of the Hindu tribes: any family -who has a first daughter- waits until she is 20 years old, then: imagine what will happen? they torture and beat her brutally till the death !!! then, they throw her into the sea !!! all that is just to satisfy their "GODS" !!! ... but this is not strange, because Hindus are just applying their beliefs. the strange is the opinion and the behavior of some governments in the West. they attack only Islam (nothing else !!!) and according to only ridiculous reasons !!!

Weird !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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GraceAbounds

Hi Sylviane,

I'm glad you find the sites provided interesting, but I don't know the believers on those sites. I do however know Tempermental and am an online acquaintance of hers. I've posted enough with Tempermental to know she has a kind heart and I know that Tempermental will understand the exact spirit of my response to her which was respectfully asking for her own words as a believer.

Thanks for your response though.

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Temperamental

Alright Gracie. I'll give you a response of my own.

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