IntruderLS1

When did that start? During the primary season, all during the past several years, Republicans had a problem with him because he was doing a little "too" much reaching across the isle. He was the only Republican that Dems liked.

Now that he's getting the nod toward a nomination, he has overnight become the devil. I hear just as much venom spewed at him now as I do about Bush.

Weird.

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Fox Mulder

Not wierd at all--absolutely typical of liberals. If you don't support socialism/communism, you are the devil.

GraceAbounds

Ditto and ditto.

It is comical.

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Minor Axis

Ah, excuse me, McCain changed from a rebel, transforming himself into a conservative to get the Republican party behind him. And he's more than happy to keep us militarily extended in Iraq for the foreseeable future.

Who called him a devil?

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RecklessTim

I cannot speak for anyone else, but my problems with McCain have nothing to do with his candidacy.

I don't think he is the right man for the job, not by a long shot. I didn't care for him when he was the so called maverick and I don't care for him now. But now that he is the Republican nominee, people are looking at him closer and with more scrutiny. People are no longer looking at him as 1 of 100 senators.

I'm actually surprised at your support for him Scott. He has a dismal voting record when it comes to veterans and veteran heath care. He didn't even vote for the GI bill....

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Minor Axis

I get sick of listening to all this rah rah for the troops talk then watching Republicans vote down veteran bills. How disingenuous do politicians have to be before they are called on it?

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groundpounder

he wasn't running for President!!!






republicans/conservatives are no better.
if you don't believe the Earth is 6,000 years old, you're the devil...




See how that works?







Partisan politics blow

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Obdurate

GP I like you more and more with each post

Doesn't matter what party you vote for, you're still fucked. So hence, a new solution is needed.

And also: The devil is your BROTHAAAAAA?

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Peter Parka

Word!

This is how politics works and mudraking is part of it. I could also say the hostility to Obama by Republicans has increased too since he got the presidential candidate nod.

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"I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of Men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the Age of Men comes crashing down, but it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!"

Minor Axis

This is what I liked about McCain: "I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us at the expense of middle-class Americans who most need tax relief,"- John McCain.

Free Public.com: McCain Changes Story on Tax Cut Stance
by Libby Quaid
Posted on January 31, 2008 15:47:07 CST by paltz

WASHINGTON (AP) - Republican John McCain says he opposed President Bush's tax cuts because they didn't come with spending cuts. That is not what he said at the time.

In a presidential debate on Wednesday, McCain said he voted against the Bush tax cuts because he wanted to rein in spending.

"I disagreed when we had tax cuts without spending restraint," the Arizona senator said.

The explanation fits with his history of railing against wasteful federal spending. But it does not fit with McCain's comments when he opposed the Bush tax cuts in 2001 and 2003.

In 2001, McCain said the tax cuts favored the wealthy at the expense of the middle class. In 2003, he said there should be no tax cuts until the Iraq war costs were known.

His aversion to the Bush tax cuts is just another reason McCain gives heartburn to many in the conservative GOP base. Besides taxes, there is also his more forgiving attitude toward illegal immigration, his effort to limit money in politics and his long-running feuds with leaders of the Christian right.

The debate at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, Calif., came on the heels of Tuesday's Florida primary, when McCain defeated former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, gaining an advantage going into next week's Super Tuesday primary.

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THE SPIN:

In Wednesday's debate, McCain suggested he opposed tax cuts because they were not accompanied by cuts in spending.

Challenged on his changing story, McCain said he does think lower and middle income people need help. But then he said he opposed tax cuts that were not accompanied by spending restraints. He meant the Bush tax cuts.

"I made it very clear when I ran in 2000 that I had a package of tax cuts which were very important and very impactful, but I also had restraints in spending," he said.

"And I disagreed when spending got out of control. And I disagreed when we had tax cuts without spending restraint," McCain said.

He added: "And guess what? Spending got out of control. Republicans lost the 2006 election not over the war in Iraq, (but) over spending. Our base became disenchanted.

"If we had done what I wanted to do, we would not only have had the spending restraint, but we'd be talking about additional tax cuts today."

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THE FACTS:

Spending was not why McCain said he opposed President Bush's tax cuts in 2001 and 2003.

In 2001, McCain said the $1.35 trillion tax cut benefited the wealthy at the expense of the middle class.

"I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us at the expense of middle-class Americans who most need tax relief," McCain said then.

McCain tried but failed to amend the bill to reduce income tax cuts for the wealthiest and give greater benefits to those earning less. He and Sen. Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island were the only Republicans to oppose the 2001 tax cuts.

At the time, McCain was still at odds with Bush, who had dealt McCain a stinging defeat in the race for the GOP presidential nomination just one year before.

In 2003, McCain opposed a $350 billion tax cut sought by Bush, this time arguing there should be no tax relief while the cost of the Iraq war and its aftermath were still unknown.

"The tax cut is not appropriate until we find out the cost of the war and the cost of reconstruction," McCain said then.

One more Republican senator, Olympia Snowe of Maine, teamed with McCain and Chafee to oppose the 2003 tax cuts. They and Republican Sen. George Voinovich of Ohio teamed to limit the size of the tax cut to $350 billion, half the size of what Bush originally wanted.

Incidentally, public opinion surveys do not back up McCain's claim that Republicans lost control of Congress in 2006 over the issue of spending.

Associated Press-Ipsos polling that tracks what people consider the most important issues facing the country picked up hardly anyone citing government spending or the federal deficit as an important problem in 2006. Rather, polling said the economy, Iraq, terrorism and scandals and corruption in government rated highly in 2006.

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IntruderLS1

I doubt you'll find my oozing support for him in any of my posts. I believe he is a man of honor, but I disagree with him on a great deal of issues. I wouldn't in a million years call him a conservative. He embodies all things moderate IMO. The ONLY reason I'm voting for him is because I think Mr. Obama's stance on Iraq, and health care are ridiculous. It really doesn't matter either way. If Congress goes deeper blue, McCain is going to be toothless anyway. I'm so bummed about this election cycle.

Not always. They exist because people have different views of the best solution. IMO, it would be wrong of them to simply concede for the sake of agreement. There are times for unison at any price, but I wouldn't say those times outweigh the need for speaking strongly in defense of the truth in your eyes.

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NicAuf

Gotta love generalizations.

Minor Axis

Washington Post- McCain Charge Against Obama Lacks Evidence.

It's not McCain's fault, he's gotta keep the base happy...

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gLing

Is there any candidate out there that isn't a flip flopping panderer?

EDIT:

I forgot to add this quote from John mcCain in regards to the Russian/Georgia conflict.

"In the 21st century nations don't invade other nations"

Did Iraq and Afghanistan already slip his mind?

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