What does 143 days of experience qualify you for? Apparently President of the US! - Page 2

Fox Mulder · 07-11-2008, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RecklessTim

You have to be fucking kidding me... you are living in a alternate universe if you think the democrats had anything to do with the fucking terrible economy. You really don't have a clue, do you?

Take a close look and try to spin this...

Looks like it's getting somewhat better since 2006... I thought you said it was because of the democrats? You really don't know what your talking about, do you. What a joke.

And who took over Congress in 1992 for the first time in 40 years? You don't know what you're talking about. Congress, not the President is primarily responsible for how the economy goes. Clinton was in office two years and it wasn't until the Republicans took over in 1992 and they instituted controls on spending (Congress authorizes spending) that the you got that spike.

BTW--the surplus is directly responsible to the Internet/High Tech boom and has nothing to do with either Clinton or the Republicans taking over in 1992--its pure luck in terms of the revnues, but it did take controls on spending by Republicans. Take an economics course. If you want to see where the real change occurred, it was after the early 1980s tax cuts--the economy grew at explosive rates not surprisingly when they cut the tax rates.

Really--this is not that hard to understand--low tax rates = a booming economy. High tax rates equals stagnation. And no matter how many times you liberals are taught this lesson, you still believe that a welfare state is the magic answer to everyone's problems! When does personal responsiblity and accountability ever enter your thougth process?

And NONE of this has anything to do with the fact that Obama is asbolutely not qualified to run a state let alone a country--keep repeating to yourself--143 days of experience--143 days of experience--143 days of experience!

ssl · 07-11-2008, 08:55 AM

Ok, so if I am reading that graphic right... we just see the overall budget.

Not anything the money was budgeted for.

ssl · 07-11-2008, 08:58 AM

According to the roster, Obama was present for 143 days in the Senate chambers.

Do you also know that a senator's job does not end once they leave the chamber or sub-committee doors?

So, I think it is safe to at least double if not triple that number, which would give you about 286 to 429 days.

dt3 · 07-11-2008, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RecklessTim

You guys actually kill me... you must have your heads so far up your asses to think McCain is a better choice than Obama, and those are the only two choices we have... McCain will be nothing more than a third Bush term, and that's not just a talking point. If you really believe that this country will do better with Grandpa McCain as president, then you truly are delusional.

Gee Tim, that's a lot of attacks on McCain supporters. But no attack on the candidate himself other than he'll "be nothing more than a third Bush term." What do you have against McCain? Which policies do you disagree with? What happened to your logical debating style? And why can't I infract you for Insulting Members?

RecklessTim · 07-11-2008, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dt3

Gee Tim, that's a lot of attacks on McCain supporters. But no attack on the candidate himself other than he'll "be nothing more than a third Bush term." What do you have against McCain? Which policies do you disagree with?

Just about every policy he stands for. I see no good in this man, none. The media are so far up his ass it isn't even funny. Straight talk? Maverick? Give me a break, he has strayed so far off the reservation he can no longer be considered either of those. He has reversed his position on just about every major view he holds. It takes balls of brass to author a bill then turn around and say he won't even vote for it. It's funny that he has flip flopped more than Kerry did and on bigger issues yet we haven't heard that term used once in the media when it comes to Johnny boy. You cannot dismiss the fact that McCain has voted with Bush 100% of the time in 2008 and 95% of the time in 2007. Not the same?

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Originally Posted by dt3

What happened to your logical debating style?

Sometimes I don't have the time to put on a full debate... but the previous posts needed to be addressed. I am just amazed how some people think about this election cycle. I am convinced that most of the McCain supporters are either basing their support of 30 second news clips or they are falling for the same old political tactics. I would love for everyone to actually get educated about both of these candidates before voting. Most of the time people just fall in line with their party and never look deeply into BOTH candidates, they vote on issues that have no effect on whether they would make a good president or not. When you still see people throwing out that Obama is a Muslim, you know they are either being disingenuous or they just don't have a clue...

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Originally Posted by dt3

And why can't I infract you for Insulting Members?

2 reasons. I didn't insult anyone directly, they were blanket statements and there is no infraction button for admin

Minor Axis · 07-11-2008, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Fox Mulder

You mean the Democrats screwing up the econonmy? Funny, but even with a recession that was left us in 2000 after Clinton's term, Bush's economy was blazing untill--well, until Democrats took over Congress in 2006. Funny how they aren't getting any of the blame in your book even though they pass all the legislation. Why is no blame being cast their way? Or did you forget how great the economy was for up till about a year ago?

You do live in an alternate universe. Taking over Congress does not mean you control congress. The margin of majority is slim and you know it. Yes it gives you an advantage, but that does not mean you can simply vote in everything you want because there are too many Republican's there to defeat many if not most of the bills and you know that too. The shit that is going down in this country today is a DIRECT result of Republican's being in change under W. Spin, spin, spin all you want.

Alien Allen · 07-11-2008, 09:37 PM

Interesting how some think McCain is getting a free pass from the press and calling him out for flip flopping.

I see the same as far as Obama. The press loves the guy. and his inconsistencies are right up there. probably not as many because HE HAS SUCH LITTLE EXPERIENCE !!!

Zorak · 07-11-2008, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Alien Allen

You aint paying attention if you buy the bullshit Obama bilge.

He is WAAAAY inexperienced. and a friggin disaster in waiting.

but the suckers who vote will buy into his crap. probably. because we have an ignorant and hugely apathetic population

Well if they're apathetic you don't have to worry surely

Alien Allen · 07-11-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Zorak

Well if they're apathetic you don't have to worry surely

Well I guess ya got me there. a truly apathetic person would not vote.

I got a couple of guys at work in their 50's that never voted.

That is truly apathetic.

and the reason these idiots that are elected are not held accountable. when barely half the people who can vote do so and then half of them vote for one candidate it sure is no mandate. god damn this shit sucks

dt3 · 07-14-2008, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RecklessTim

Just about every policy he stands for. I see no good in this man, none. The media are so far up his ass it isn't even funny. Straight talk? Maverick? Give me a break, he has strayed so far off the reservation he can no longer be considered either of those. He has reversed his position on just about every major view he holds. It takes balls of brass to author a bill then turn around and say he won't even vote for it. It's funny that he has flip flopped more than Kerry did and on bigger issues yet we haven't heard that term used once in the media when it comes to Johnny boy. You cannot dismiss the fact that McCain has voted with Bush 100% of the time in 2008 and 95% of the time in 2007. Not the same?

McCain voted with Bush? Come on Tim, you know how the government works. The Senate passes it before the President signs off on it. So if you're saying Bush agreed with McCain 100% of the time, then fine, but don't make it sound like McCain is Bush's lap dog.

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Originally Posted by RecklessTim

Sometimes I don't have the time to put on a full debate... but the previous posts needed to be addressed. I am just amazed how some people think about this election cycle. I am convinced that most of the McCain supporters are either basing their support of 30 second news clips or they are falling for the same old political tactics. I would love for everyone to actually get educated about both of these candidates before voting. Most of the time people just fall in line with their party and never look deeply into BOTH candidates, they vote on issues that have no effect on whether they would make a good president or not. When you still see people throwing out that Obama is a Muslim, you know they are either being disingenuous or they just don't have a clue...

I have to agree with you there, except I see the same thing happening to Obama supporters! I asked my mom why she was supporting Obama. Her answer? "He wants change."

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Originally Posted by RecklessTim

2 reasons. I didn't insult anyone directly, they were blanket statements and there is no infraction button for admin

Blanket statements are ok? I honestly don't think you mean that. For example, what if I said "Everyone from Iowa is a backwards, redneck, inbred dumbass"?

Sure, it's a blanket statement, but it's still insulting to certain people here. Same thing goes with your statements. You know who you're aiming them at.

I know it's bad form to disagree with you on the open forum like this, but I figured since it started out here then the "delusional" people might as well see why it's ok to call them that.

groundpounder · 07-14-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dt3

Blanket statements are ok? I honestly don't think you mean that. For example, what if I said "Everyone from Iowa is a backwards, redneck, inbred dumbass"?

why is it that I know why you used THAT particular state?!?!?

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Sure, it's a blanket statement, but it's still insulting to certain people here. Same thing goes with your statements. You know who you're aiming them at.

I know it's bad form to disagree with you on the open forum like this, but I figured since it started out here then the "delusional" people might as well see why it's ok to call them that.

*chants like a kid in the schoolyard*
yer gonna get in trooooooouuuuuuuble!

nTejas · 07-17-2008, 12:54 PM

Very Good Point. US voters should be asking themselves, "who is this man Obama....and what has he done other than give a few good big arena tele-prompt read speaches"....after all this is for the highest office in the land of the United States of America.....in fact, voters should ask themselves that question about both candidates.

Obama likes to brag about his superior judgment of NOT voting to go into Iraq......however, the world is better off without the evil dictator Saddam in power and there has NOT been another attack on US soil ever since.........Obama should use that superior judgment when selecting a church....after all he was a member of his church for 25 years.....his preacher married he and his wife.....baptized his children........then after 25 years of attendance Obama disowns his church........turns his back on them.........he seems to have a very shady past that people need to bring into question before casting a vote......too many unknowns....and very little experience........are voters really that desperate to hand over the keys to someone who has NOT proven themselves......hopefully US voters are smarter than that...guess we will all find out come November

Minor Axis · 07-17-2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dt3

McCain voted with Bush? Come on Tim, you know how the government works. The Senate passes it before the President signs off on it. So if you're saying Bush agreed with McCain 100% of the time, then fine, but don't make it sound like McCain is Bush's lap dog.

On CNN, when Wolf Blitzer asked one of McCain's spokespersons what policies of Bush's does McCain differ with, he drew a blank.

RecklessTim · 07-17-2008, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by nTejas

Very Good Point. US voters should be asking themselves, "who is this man Obama....and what has he done other than give a few good big arena tele-prompt read speaches"....after all this is for the highest office in the land of the United States of America.....in fact, voters should ask themselves that question about both candidates.

You are absolutely right. We should Always get to know the candidates. Unfortunately MOST of the voters do not. The good thing about the internet is, we can go look up information on these guys. Yet you will find that even with all of this information at our fingertips, you will still have people thinking he is Muslim, or he doesn't have any plans or that he is nothing but a good orator.
Do you want to know what I really like about him? His ability to get people up off their lazy asses and get them doing something. We need to get more involved in the government, we need to take an active role in what is going on in this country. The vast majority of people in the US believe their part is done once they pull that voting lever, and it isn't. We need to get in their faces and stay there. They work for us. And that is the #1 reason I will be voting for Obama, he has generated more interest in politics than anybody else in many years. So that great ability to give speeches does make a difference.

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Originally Posted by nTejas

Obama likes to brag about his superior judgment of NOT voting to go into Iraq......however, the world is better off without the evil dictator Saddam in power and there has NOT been another attack on US soil ever since.........Obama should use that superior judgment when selecting a church....after all he was a member of his church for 25 years.....his preacher married he and his wife.....baptized his children........then after 25 years of attendance Obama disowns his church........turns his back on them.........he seems to have a very shady past that people need to bring into question before casting a vote......too many unknowns....and very little experience........are voters really that desperate to hand over the keys to someone who has NOT proven themselves......hopefully US voters are smarter than that...guess we will all find out come November

Why would there be another attack? They have 300,000 plus targets in Iraq to go after. They have already killed more Americans in Iraq than they did on 9/11. We already took the airbase out of Saudi Arabia. We are heading towards financial ruin. We are less safe today than before 9/11. There are more people in this world today that want harm to come to us before 9/11 (perfect recruitment opportunity). Saddam (Sunni) has been removed (enemy of Al Qaeda, Shi'a) and Iraq's government is now Shi'a just like Irans...

So yes, I hope the voters are smart enough to vote for the best choice.

nTejas · 07-17-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RecklessTim

You are absolutely right. We should Always get to know the candidates. Unfortunately MOST of the voters do not. The good thing about the internet is, we can go look up information on these guys. Yet you will find that even with all of this information at our fingertips, you will still have people thinking he is Muslim, or he doesn't have any plans or that he is nothing but a good orator.
Do you want to know what I really like about him? His ability to get people up off their lazy asses and get them doing something. We need to get more involved in the government, we need to take an active role in what is going on in this country. The vast majority of people in the US believe their part is done once they pull that voting lever, and it isn't. We need to get in their faces and stay there. They work for us. And that is the #1 reason I will be voting for Obama, he has generated more interest in politics than anybody else in many years. So that great ability to give speeches does make a difference.

Why would there be another attack? They have 300,000 plus targets in Iraq to go after. They have already killed more Americans in Iraq than they did on 9/11. We already took the airbase out of Saudi Arabia. We are heading towards financial ruin. We are less safe today than before 9/11. There are more people in this world today that want harm to come to us before 9/11 (perfect recruitment opportunity). Saddam (Sunni) has been removed (enemy of Al Qaeda, Shi'a) and Iraq's government is now Shi'a just like Irans...

So yes, I hope the voters are smart enough to vote for the best choice.

So go and give Obama some of your money.

07-11-2008, 08:55 AM	#17
ssl banned... again! Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,668 Tokenz: 476	Re: What does 143 days of experience qualify you for? Apparently President of the US Ok, so if I am reading that graphic right... we just see the overall budget. Not anything the money was budgeted for. __________________ The surface is calm The deep sea churns violently The shore is different Goodbye

07-11-2008, 08:58 AM	#18
ssl banned... again! Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,668 Tokenz: 476	Re: What does 143 days of experience qualify you for? Apparently President of the US According to the roster, Obama was present for 143 days in the Senate chambers. Do you also know that a senator's job does not end once they leave the chamber or sub-committee doors? So, I think it is safe to at least double if not triple that number, which would give you about 286 to 429 days. __________________ The surface is calm The deep sea churns violently The shore is different Goodbye

07-11-2008, 09:37 PM	#22
Alien Allen Insane Pesky Nitpcker Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: None of your business :D Posts: 2,990 Tokenz: 22,173	Re: What does 143 days of experience qualify you for? Apparently President of the US Interesting how some think McCain is getting a free pass from the press and calling him out for flip flopping. I see the same as far as Obama. The press loves the guy. and his inconsistencies are right up there. probably not as many because HE HAS SUCH LITTLE EXPERIENCE !!!

07-17-2008, 12:54 PM	#27
nTejas Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: in the spirit world.... Posts: 248 Tokenz: 1,450	Re: What does 143 days of experience qualify you for? Apparently President of the US Very Good Point. US voters should be asking themselves, "who is this man Obama....and what has he done other than give a few good big arena tele-prompt read speaches"....after all this is for the highest office in the land of the United States of America.....in fact, voters should ask themselves that question about both candidates. Obama likes to brag about his superior judgment of NOT voting to go into Iraq......however, the world is better off without the evil dictator Saddam in power and there has NOT been another attack on US soil ever since.........Obama should use that superior judgment when selecting a church....after all he was a member of his church for 25 years.....his preacher married he and his wife.....baptized his children........then after 25 years of attendance Obama disowns his church........turns his back on them.........he seems to have a very shady past that people need to bring into question before casting a vote......too many unknowns....and very little experience........are voters really that desperate to hand over the keys to someone who has NOT proven themselves......hopefully US voters are smarter than that...guess we will all find out come November

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