Wack a Bush - Page 2

gLing · 08-22-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Minor Axis

Only to the people trying to minimize the stupidity of the BA (Bush Admin). Clinton was much smarter in worldly affairs, not perfect, but they the CA, had a reasonable foreign policy.

Clinton did not do anything wrong regarding Iraq and WMDs. Just imagine if he had been stupid enough to invade Iraq and what the Republicans would have said about it. Just my opinion of course.

The only difference between Bush and Clinton in regards to Iraq is Bush actually did something. Clinton just lobbed a few missiles while he was being impeached. However, both made the same argument about his WMDs.

Minor Axis · 09-05-2008, 10:31 PM

It was reported tonight on MSNBC that in Bob Woodward's new book, President Bush was not involved in the Iraq surge decision, that he had no idea how many troops would be sent to Iraq for the surge because in his own words "I had other things to do."

Now that's what's called delegation... and who cares if the Pentagon said they could only afford 2 brigades, when 5 were sent.

Alien Allen · 09-05-2008, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Minor Axis

It was reported tonight on MSNBC that in Bob Woodward's new book, President Bush was not involved in the Iraq surge decision, that he had no idea how many troops would be sent to Iraq for the surge because in his own words "I had other things to do."

Now that's what's called delegation... and who cares if the Pentagon said they could only afford 2 brigades, when 5 were sent.

we saw what micro managing the war did when McNamara sent us down the shitter during Nam.

aside from that I would like to know the context of what "not being involved" means

Minor Axis · 09-06-2008, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Alien Allen

we saw what micro managing the war did when McNamara sent us down the shitter during Nam.

aside from that I would like to know the context of what "not being involved" means

Well, the head of the U.S. military is usually involved in a decision like this, to at least know the details as he is the one who is supposed to give final approval. But Bush is our absentee leader, the lazy President if you will, having taken more vacation days than any other President and was on vacation when Katrina ravaged one of our cities...

Strauss · 09-06-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Minor Axis

was on vacation when Katrina ravaged one of our cities...

That's such a bullshit statement. The President of the United States is never on vacation; he just isn't at the White House. Big friggin deal. He has the complete resources of the federal government at his fingertips no matters where he goes. Everything he could could do while sitting at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue he can do sitting anywhere where else in the world.

Alien Allen · 09-06-2008, 12:22 PM

yeah I get kick out of those that whine the president is on vacation.

his day probably is not that much different day to day 24/7/365

just a matter of the location

Minor Axis · 09-07-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Strauss

That's such a bullshit statement. The President of the United States is never on vacation; he just isn't at the White House. Big friggin deal. He has the complete resources of the federal government at his fingertips no matters where he goes. Everything he could could do while sitting at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue he can do sitting anywhere where else in the world.

But we are all in agreement he was clueless about the details of the Surge. Great leader.

Strauss · 09-07-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Minor Axis

But we are all in agreement he was clueless about the details of the Surge. Great leader.

Actually no we aren't. There have been numerous articles published in the National Review and The Weekly Standard that quote the actual people involved during the many months the actual decision was being discussed and Bush was involved in the majority of them. This would not be the first time that Woodward talks to third level participants and only gets hersay responses to report.

Minor Axis · 09-07-2008, 04:44 PM

There was no heresay about it, in Bush's own words to Woodward, he did not know because he had other things to do.

Minor Axis · 10-29-2008, 09:00 PM

Newseek: End Of The Ownership Society

Summary for those who don't care to read it: George Bush and his cronies suck...

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Such a country would be more stable, Bush argued, and more prosperous. "America is a stronger country every single time a family moves into a home of their own," he said in October 2004. To achieve his vision, Bush pushed new policies encouraging homeownership, like the "zero-down-payment initiative," which was much as it sounds—a government-sponsored program that allowed people to get mortgages without a down payment. More exotic mortgages followed, including ones with no monthly payments for the first two years. Other mortgages required no documentation other than the say-so of the borrower. Absurd though these all were, they paled in comparison to the financial innovations that grew out of the mortgages—derivatives built on other derivatives, packaged and repackaged until no one could identify what they contained and how much they were, in fact, worth.

As we know by now, these instruments have brought the global financial system, improbably, to the brink of collapse. And as financial strains drive husbands and wives apart, Bush's ownership ideology may end up having the same effect on the stable nuclear families conservatives so badly wanted to foster.

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But eventually, it all went sour. By the turn of the century, the proliferation of easy credit and universal stock ownership combined to create anything but a conservative society of thrift. Average household debt levels are now higher in Britain than in any other major country in the developed world. In the United States, the shift away from corporate pensions to 401(k) retirement accounts plunged millions more into the equity markets and loosened the traditional connection between companies and workers, which was one element of that 1950s dream that conservatives like Bush conveniently forgot. The ownership society of the 1950s was anchored by a labor movement that made sure that workers received something resembling their share—remember Truman's Fair Deal? The deal for the past eight years has been fair to merchants of capital, and then some. But to the tens of millions on the receiving rather than originating end of those mortgages, fairness has been in short supply.

Alien Allen · 10-29-2008, 09:22 PM

and thanks for the summary. that was nice. no need to read what is obvious.

would you agree some people got loans which they never should have received??

Minor Axis · 10-29-2008, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Alien Allen

and thanks for the summary. that was nice. no need to read what is obvious.

would you agree some people got loans which they never should have received??

Abso-f*****g-lutely.

Now lets argue who's fault it is.

I'd say there is plenty to go around. Speculative buyers deserve what they got good or bad. People who had no business owning homes as in, could not afford it, are responsible for their actions, but the slick companies out there telling them it was an opportunity of a lifetime deserve a combat boot up their behinds. And the mortgage companies who packaged these questionable loans and sold them should be strung up.

Think about this, the U.S. government is dumping BILLIONS on banks and their rich CEOs basically no questions asked, or controls seized, shielding them from their bad decisions, but what about the little people who made bad decisions, do they deserve a break? Where should the line be drawn?

Alien Allen · 10-29-2008, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Minor Axis

Abso-f*****g-lutely.

Now lets argue who's fault it is.

I'd say there is plenty to go around. Speculative buyers deserve what they got good or bad. People who had no business owning homes as in, could not afford it, are responsible for their actions, but the slick companies out there telling them it was an opportunity of a lifetime deserve a combat boot up their behinds. And the mortgage companies who packaged these questionable loans and sold them should be strung up.

Think about this, the U.S. government is dumping BILLIONS on banks and their rich CEOs basically no questions asked, or controls seized, shielding them from their bad decisions, but what about the little people who made bad decisions, do they deserve a break? Where should the line be drawn?

glad to hear it. I have seen many who only want to blame it on the greed of the banks and blame fanny and freddie. there are a lot of dirty hands in this. I never wanted the bailout. Time will tell if it was correct. I suspect based on bank actions thus far they are buying time. If so and they rape and pillage the system further there sure as hell better be some people doing jail time and some people in govt sent back home to make an honest living.

AbriannaPeto · 10-29-2008, 09:55 PM

I say: What's done is done and it's time to move on and find a new leader.

Minor Axis · 10-29-2008, 09:55 PM

One more thing to think about- why do you think those banks could make those bad decisions? Because deregulators like John McCain, and most of the Republican Party felt we needed no damn Steagal Act to keep them from making those stupid mistakes. It was pretty much a party vote, Republicans "for", Dems "against" but to my chagrin, Clinton signed the damn bill in. Bastards! Course he also signed in the NAFTA too, double bastard!!

09-05-2008, 10:31 PM	#17
Minor Axis Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Between Canada and Mexico Posts: 1,633 Tokenz: 27,740	Re: Wack a Bush It was reported tonight on MSNBC that in Bob Woodward's new book, President Bush was not involved in the Iraq surge decision, that he had no idea how many troops would be sent to Iraq for the surge because in his own words "I had other things to do." Now that's what's called delegation... and who cares if the Pentagon said they could only afford 2 brigades, when 5 were sent. __________________ "I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of Men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the Age of Men comes crashing down, but it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!"

09-06-2008, 12:22 PM	#21
Alien Allen Insane Pesky Nitpcker Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: None of your business :D Posts: 2,990 Tokenz: 22,173	Re: Wack a Bush yeah I get kick out of those that whine the president is on vacation. his day probably is not that much different day to day 24/7/365 just a matter of the location

09-07-2008, 04:44 PM	#24
Minor Axis Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Between Canada and Mexico Posts: 1,633 Tokenz: 27,740	Re: Wack a Bush There was no heresay about it, in Bush's own words to Woodward, he did not know because he had other things to do. __________________ "I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of Men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the Age of Men comes crashing down, but it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!"

10-29-2008, 09:22 PM	#26
Alien Allen Insane Pesky Nitpcker Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: None of your business :D Posts: 2,990 Tokenz: 22,173	Re: Wack a Bush and thanks for the summary. that was nice. no need to read what is obvious. would you agree some people got loans which they never should have received?? __________________ R.I.P. ....... USA...........DOA 10/3/08 Welcome to the new USSA ... Thanks a lot you assholes in Congress and Bush for selling us out. Charter Member Of The Conservatives In Exile 11/5/2008 anticipated date of death 11/6/2012

10-29-2008, 09:55 PM	#29
AbriannaPeto Auntie Bri Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Sl,ut Posts: 4,350 Tokenz: 59,616	Re: Wack a Bush I say: What's done is done and it's time to move on and find a new leader. __________________ Not all 'young people' listen to the media.

10-29-2008, 09:55 PM	#30
Minor Axis Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Between Canada and Mexico Posts: 1,633 Tokenz: 27,740	Re: Wack a Bush One more thing to think about- why do you think those banks could make those bad decisions? Because deregulators like John McCain, and most of the Republican Party felt we needed no damn Steagal Act to keep them from making those stupid mistakes. It was pretty much a party vote, Republicans "for", Dems "against" but to my chagrin, Clinton signed the damn bill in. Bastards! Course he also signed in the NAFTA too, double bastard!! __________________ "I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of Men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the Age of Men comes crashing down, but it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!"

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