valley

I dont think Muslims would agree that the God of the Bible is the same as the god of the Quran.
How can they be the same God when the Quran absolutely rejects that Jesus is a part of our triune God?

I dont agree at all with this kind of Ecumenical approach to faith. It muddies the waters about how to be reconciled to God.

pladecalvo

So now all you have to do is show that the Bible is true.

Good Luck!

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Temperamental

The Muslims, Christians, and Jews worship the same God (even though they have different characteristics).
God sent down the Torah, the Bible, and the Quran.

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valley

I agree that the Torah is sent by God...since its is a part of the Holy Bible. But if God sent down both the Quran and the Bible, then God is a liar. Both books contradict each other. Allah has no son...The God of the Bible has a Son: Jesus Christ. There is no way to overcome that fundamental difference in their teachings, amongst a myriad of other unreconcileable differences.

Sylviane88

First: Quran was sent more than 600 years after the bible ... not at the same time.
Second: God is never liar ! the liar is who have changed the real bible sent to Jesus. the liar is the authors of the bible !!!
I can prove that the today's bible is not the bible sent to jesus ! here's just an example:

Nine Undeniable Contradictions in the Bible

Then can you say that the god is a liar because the bible (itself) contains so many contradictions ?!!!

Cordially - Sylviane

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nTejas

Do you believe that Jesus Christ was crucified on the cross?

valley

and this proves....?

I agree.

God is the Author of the Bible.

8 of the 9 "undeniable Contradictions" are numerical issues....they are easy to explain...they are copyist's error. In the Original Hebrew writings, a small mark called a "Multiplier" was put over a letter to show its numerical value. When it came time to copy..the manuscript was most likely old and wrinkled from wear and tear (hence the need to make a new copy) and that tiny mark may have been overlooked or misunderstood, changing the numerical value in some instances. But this is hardly enough to make a fuss over....unlike some of the Quranic discrepancies. The last contradiction is not above a rational explanation either. It is certainly nothing that warrants the dismissal of of the Holy Bible as God's word!

Now read the text in question:

Quote:

Originally Posted by your source Who killed Goliath? (a) David (1 Samuel 17:23, 50). (b) Elhanan (2 Samuel 21:19).

David killed Goliath. That much is clear from the first reference. The second reference in 2 Sam 21:19 says this:

"There was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam."

If you look at 1 Chronicles 20:5 its says:

"And there was a war with the Philistines again, and Elhanan the son of Jair killed Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like the weavers beam"

Please take note that it is the same terms were used in the chronicles verse I gave you..the same one which specifies that it was the brother of Goliath that was killed by Elhanan. The "contradiction" is nothing more than another copyist error..the words "the brother of" were omitted....small potatoes compared to any real doctrinal issues in the Bible.

I have attempted to refute some of the supposed contradictions in the Bible that you have listed. Will you do me the same courtesy regarding some question I have about Quranic text? If so, I have to come back later to do it...my family is calling me away right now.

lovinglife45

THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN BY MEN AND THE WORDS WERE SENT BY GOD and derived from experiences from the men who walked with him and so on. so i would expect some mistake since human make alot of them

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lovinglife45

WRITTEN BY MEN AND THE WORDS WERE SENT BY GOD and derived from experiences from the men who walked with him and so on. so i would expect some mistake since human make alot of them
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lovinglife45

TRUTH IS WE WILL NEVER KNOW TILL WE DIE AND ITS AND ENDLESS DEBATE. aND TO KNOW THE TRUE WORDS YOU HAVE TO LEARN THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN IN

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pladecalvo

How did Judas die?

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valley

He hung himself from a tree that overlooked a cliff. At some point...while he was being cut down or when the rope broke, his body fell to the ground below and split open.

Why do you ask?

valley

Many scholars have done just that....they have gone to school to learn, Hebrew & Greek so that they may verify the translations for themselves. As a layman, I have a Greek to English and a Hebrew to English dictionary that I use for my studies as well...its not hard to find the original text. The Bible has been translated accurately enough that the best Bible critics do not dispute the translation. It would be like disputing a book that has been translated from French to English....its an academic thing. The point of contention with the Bible by critics is the interpretation of the translation.

But not all of the Bible needs to be interpreted. A great majority of it is written in clear, concise terms that even a child can grasp.

pladecalvo

At the risk of derailing the thread, can you provide the scripture that mentions ropes breaking, cliffs or being cut down. Also I'd be interested to know just how, if the body was overhanging a cliff in such way that it would would be dashed to pieces at the foot of the cliff when it fell, how the heck was Judas able to hang himself. Did he float on air whist tying the rope or something?? I ask because the two verses that deal with Judas' death contradict each other and I have not yet been able to find anyone that can explain the contradiction without giving 'personal interpretations' and adding things that are just not mentioned...such as cliffs and ropes breaking.

Perhaps we could start a new thread on it!!

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pladecalvo

Doesn't Islam also say that it's god rescued this Jesus character from crucifixion?

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