IntruderLS1

Not if he is going to push the agenda he promises to push. Your comment actually runs to the core of my point. He keeps promising us unity, but I just don't see it happening with somebody who isn't willing to listen to the other side.

Bush has been trying to unify the government for the past several years. What will Obama do that Bush has not in that aim?

I know there is a liberal string in you that's just humming chants about blood, and war, and oil and what not, but seriously.... How is he going to change Washington? He's as far left as they come, which is exactly why you and Tim like him so much. How is putting an extremist (too strong a word, but I can't find a better one at the moment) in office going to bring everybody together?

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All Else Failed

I just see his unity comments as normal and run-of-the-mill political buzz phrase. Ever campaign has a slogan thats meaningless.

Scott I totally disagree on him being "far left as they come". Believe me, he's not far left. Far left is like, an anarcho communist, or a greenpeace radical that burns down housing developments. Obama is just mildly left. You calling him extremist is just silly, since he has said nothing that is extreme in any stretch of the imagination. Stop listening to conservative talk radio

I actually do not like Obama that much, and I don't even think he's that left wing. I don't even think I'm that left wing.

But yeah, Washington will be Washington. Who is in power matters relatively little. Sure, they'll make changes, but the system will always be the system when the sun goes down.

GraceAbounds

Sadly, I agree with this and it is precisely what I was stating earlier when I was speaking of the pendulum swinging back and forth.

I won't give up hope though for a group of strong leaders to get in there and turn the place upside down one day ... making it right side up for a change. Pray for your leaders regardless of whether you agree with them or not. I wouldn't want their job.

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Minor Axis

I was a Republican, then I became an Independent after Nixon was impeached. However, I voted Republican through the first George Bush and have voted Democrat ever since because the Republican Party has lost their way. The current Bush Administration is the first one that I have accused of subverting checks and balances in our government. Take it or leave it for what it's worth.

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Minor Axis

So what does that mean? The big lie was *W* as the uniter. Hah! Obama is willing to compromise and work with the other side. If they won't listen, who's fault is it really? You solution is to elect another Republican?


Agreed!

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Peter Parka

Man, if some of you think Obama is extreme left, it's no wonder you're all so paranoid about Communists!

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All Else Failed

Conservatives like to paint anyone who is left wing who they disagree with as "extreme" or "far left" when theres absolutely no extreme left winger in office in the US. At all.

RecklessTim

Not willing to listen/work with the other side? Please enlighten me here. I would like one example of this, because you apparently haven't looked into his record to make such a statement. Until such a time where you can back this up with any proof, this is nothing more than a Republican talking point and carries no weight.

If there was any validity to this last statement, then we would not be as divided as we are today. How many times has the president absolutely refused to compromise on any of his agendas? How many times has the Senate blocked debate on the floor (75 times in the last 18 months) that's 13 more times than any 2 years in the Senate.
And forget about him working across the isle, he took it to a whole new level by effectively removing most of the checks and balances set up by our founding fathers.

Far left as they come? Extremist? I like how the right can label him the most liberal in the senate while Russ Feingold and Bernie Sanders are still senators. Again if you would take the time to actually look at his voting record and recognize the times he has reached across the isle, you would see that he is indeed liberal, but not extreme by any sense of the word.

BTW I love how insinuate in your post that having a liberal view is somehow bad. Someone who is a liberal means someone who is broad minded, fair, and respects the rule of law. And this is bad?

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Mr President;
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Minor Axis

It is bad just like "secular" is God-less. Conservative usage: Secular activist judges are intent on interfering in...!. And liberals tend to care about the working class, now that's really bad.

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"I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of Men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the Age of Men comes crashing down, but it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!"

GraceAbounds

I saw a speech Obama was making last night, can't remember which state it was to, but His speech was good.

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RecklessTim

He is a wonderful orator. I think that in itself will go a long way into bringing America together to get things done. It's amazing what an inspirational speech can do when it fires up the people.

I just hope and pray that his words are not empty. That he is indeed the change this country needs.

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Mr President;
It has been reported that you are here to "lecture" us on democracy and human rights. But with a record like yours, you will not be very convincing.

GraceAbounds

My personal choice would be a Centrist for president, one that truly was a mixture of the dem and rep party. But there isn't so I always have to choose only 1/2 of what I believe in as far as politics go.

Whether it is Obama or McCain, I'll be hoping and praying as well.

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BadBoy@TheWheel

I like your thinking on this, personally I think the only "intelligent" way to do politics, would be an independent, or more central thinking person.

Personally, partisan politics has gotten us parted...

If the old approach worked so well, nobody would be calling for change, and Obama's popularity despite some ignorance that still exists, if proof that everyone is sick of Clinton, and it appears as though republicans so far as the ones that have backed Bush all these years.

The only thing I admire about McCain, is he has gone towards the center on a lot of issues, and gotten punished by many for it....But still got the nomination, which tells me the right is moving also.

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RecklessTim

Still my biggest issue with McCain is where he stands, or doesn't stand, or stands...

I understand the need to change positions sometimes. But to do it for political gain or to carry favor with your party is not a reason. Yes, he did bump head with his party on many occasions. I give him credit for that, but it seems as though he is realigning himself with the hard right. So that credit I gave him is quickly diminishing... So where does he truly stand on some of these issues?

* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but has since decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks. (Indeed, McCain has now hired Falwell’s debate coach.)

* McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.

* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June, he abandoned his own legislation.

* McCain used to think that Grover Norquist was a crook and a corrupt shill for dictators. Then McCain got serious about running for president and began to reconcile with Norquist.

* McCain took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then caved to White House demands.

* McCain gave up on his signature policy issue, campaign-finance reform, and won’t back the same provision he sponsored just a couple of years ago.

* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.

* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

* And now he’s both for and against overturning Roe v. Wade.

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Mr President;
It has been reported that you are here to "lecture" us on democracy and human rights. But with a record like yours, you will not be very convincing.

Minor Axis

McCain has reinvented himself moving far to the right to appeal to his party's powerful base while loosing his integrity in the process.

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"I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of Men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the Age of Men comes crashing down, but it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!"