Jesus Christ. Man or myth?

pladecalvo · 05-15-2008, 01:00 AM

Apart from two forged documents by contemporaneous secular historians and the Bible, there is no evidence for the existence of the Jesus described in the Christian Bible. Everything we know about this character is from second or third hand 'hearsay' accounts.

Question for debate.
Was Jesus Christ man or myth?

Cajun Fox · 05-15-2008, 01:03 AM

Stop making so many damn threads. Jesus Christ is a myth. It's a fact. There is no evidence that states his existance.

pladecalvo · 05-15-2008, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajun Fox

Stop making so many damn threads.

Why not??

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Jesus Christ is a myth. It's a fact. There is no evidence that states his existance.

There is evidence that states his existence...the Bible for one! It's whether that evidence can be independently and objectively verified that is in question. IMO it can't.

Cajun Fox · 05-15-2008, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by pladecalvo

Why not??

There is evidence that states his existence...the Bible for one! It's whether that evidence can be independently and objectively verified that is in question. IMO it can't.

Get your head out of the bible and focus on the point here. Jesus does not exist. It's all lies created by the Christians.

charLIE2291 · 05-15-2008, 01:26 AM

Man transformed to myth status.

Have a look at this link
Jesus Police Website

groundpounder · 05-15-2008, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajun Fox

Jesus Christ is a myth. It's a fact.

which is it, Cajun? I'm all confused...

Cajun Fox · 05-15-2008, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by groundpounder

which is it, Cajun? I'm all confused...

Idiot. I'm saying it's a proven fact that Jesus doesn't exist.

Peter Parka · 05-15-2008, 01:34 AM

Thee is a hell of a lot of proof that a great man called Jesus existed. Whether he was THAT great or the son on God is very debatable!

pladecalvo · 05-15-2008, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajun Fox

Get your head out of the bible and focus on the point here. Jesus does not exist. It's all lies created by the Christians.

Get my head out of the Bible!!

Dude, I been atheist for over 40 years...I make Richard Dawkins seem like the Pope!!!

pladecalvo · 05-15-2008, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter Parka

Thee is a hell of a lot of proof that a great man called Jesus existed.

Can't agree with you on that Peter. I've never come across any of this "proof."

sharpies · 05-15-2008, 02:45 AM

I, too, am an atheist & I think that you would have a very hard time trying to prove that Jesus did not exist. There are not a lot of references to him & that is partly because the Rabbis of the time thought of him as a rebel (which he was) & a criminal, who undermined their authority (which he did), so they did little to push his agenda.

I do believe that JC lived, but I am undecided whether he was the leader of a rebellious group or he was the dupe who took the blame for everything. JC & his little band did everything they could to convince the average Jew that he was the son of God & it may have worked a little too well for him. The people were expecting a Messiah & I don't think it was that hard to give them one based on the hard times they were living in.

Allan

pladecalvo · 05-15-2008, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by sharpies

I, too, am an atheist & I think that you would have a very hard time trying to prove that Jesus did not exist.

Well no, it can't be proven that he didn't exist...any more than it can be proven that gods don't exist. All that can be shown is that there is no evidence that he did....and as that is the case, why would one believe that he did?

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There are not a lot of references to him

Where?

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I do believe that JC lived, but I am undecided whether he was the leader of a rebellious group or he was the dupe who took the blame for everything. JC & his little band did everything they could to convince the average Jew that he was the son of God & it may have worked a little too well for him. The people were expecting a Messiah & I don't think it was that hard to give them one based on the hard times they were living in.

Are we talking about Jesus the man or Jesus Christ of Biblical fame? I do tend to separate the two. If Jesus existed then I like you, I think he was nothing more than some kind of itinerant rabble rousing rabbi who overstepped the mark. Jesus Christ, Son of God on the other hand...nope!

Pudding Time · 05-15-2008, 07:42 AM

Whether he existed or not is irrelevant.

Mase · 05-15-2008, 07:42 AM

If there's no evidence of something existing, that doesn't prove it doesn't exist. Just shows that its a theory. There's not enough evidence to be sure of whether Jesus is a man or a myth, so currently, he's just a theory.

Peter Parka · 05-15-2008, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mase

If there's no evidence of something existing, that doesn't prove it doesn't exist. Just shows that its a theory.

Yes it's theory, that's why we can debate about it. This is the debate section.

05-15-2008, 01:00 AM	#1
pladecalvo Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Valencia, Spain Posts: 254 Tokenz: 4,226	Jesus Christ. Man or myth? Apart from two forged documents by contemporaneous secular historians and the Bible, there is no evidence for the existence of the Jesus described in the Christian Bible. Everything we know about this character is from second or third hand 'hearsay' accounts. Question for debate. Was Jesus Christ man or myth?

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Cajun Fox Banned Join Date: May 2008 Location: In the air Posts: 278	Re: Jesus Christ. Man or myth? Stop making so many damn threads. Jesus Christ is a myth. It's a fact. There is no evidence that states his existance.

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charLIE2291 ...Slingin Ink... Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: I’m sittin’ at a bar on the inside Posts: 1,254 Tokenz: 13,635	Re: Jesus Christ. Man or myth? Man transformed to myth status. Have a look at this link Jesus Police Website __________________ oh well whatever, nevermind Last edited by charLIE2291; 05-15-2008 at 01:37 AM.

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Peter Parka English, not British! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Harlow, Essex, England Posts: 19,384 Tokenz: 48,358	Re: Jesus Christ. Man or myth? Thee is a hell of a lot of proof that a great man called Jesus existed. Whether he was THAT great or the son on God is very debatable! __________________

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sharpies V.I.P User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,291 Tokenz: 1,836	Re: Jesus Christ. Man or myth? I, too, am an atheist & I think that you would have a very hard time trying to prove that Jesus did not exist. There are not a lot of references to him & that is partly because the Rabbis of the time thought of him as a rebel (which he was) & a criminal, who undermined their authority (which he did), so they did little to push his agenda. I do believe that JC lived, but I am undecided whether he was the leader of a rebellious group or he was the dupe who took the blame for everything. JC & his little band did everything they could to convince the average Jew that he was the son of God & it may have worked a little too well for him. The people were expecting a Messiah & I don't think it was that hard to give them one based on the hard times they were living in. Allan __________________ "To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin." -- Cardinal Bellarmine, during the trial of Galileo, 1615

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Mase Flame Haze Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia. Posts: 3,181 Tokenz: 14,063	Re: Jesus Christ. Man or myth? If there's no evidence of something existing, that doesn't prove it doesn't exist. Just shows that its a theory. There's not enough evidence to be sure of whether Jesus is a man or a myth, so currently, he's just a theory. __________________ Eternal life will not bring you eternal happiness. Last edited by Mase; 05-15-2008 at 07:49 AM.

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