Jesus Christ. Man or myth? - Page 4

Pudding Time · 05-15-2008, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pladecalvo

Stacks of evidence to show the existence of Alexander.

really? word in a book? stories from people? maybe even a carving of him?

all are not solid proof he exited..

just can't prove it..

pladecalvo · 05-16-2008, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by NicAuf

This post is similar to the one I made in the Bible: Fact of Fiction? thread....I'm no expert on these things, nonetheless I have formed opinions. No Jesus may or may not have existed. The Bible may or may not be true.

However, as I stated before, one can still get some good out the teachings of Jesus told about in the Bible. Though a person may not exist does not mean their words can't influence you. So even though the existence of Jesus is debated (as shown with this thread) as well is the Bible's authenticity, one can still draw meaningful morals from the man and book. I think that is what is important.

One could get the same benefits from following the teachings of say....the Buddha, for example?

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Originally Posted by Pudding Time

really? word in a book? stories from people? maybe even a carving of him?

all are not solid proof he exited..

just can't prove it..

Oh come on man! Evidence for him abounds all over the world. In the case of Jesus Christ we have someone who allegedly raised people from the dead, walked on water, fed thousands with a few scraps of food, was killed and came back to life, spoke in front crowds so huge that people trampled one another and performed sundry other miracles......yet not one contemporaneous historian even mentions him. Even his own followers didn't mention anything until 4 decades after he was dead.

All Else Failed · 05-16-2008, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by pladecalvo

One could get the same benefits from following the teachings of say....the Buddha, for example?

Oh come on man! Evidence for him abounds all over the world. In the case of Jesus Christ we have someone who allegedly raised people from the dead, walked on water, fed thousands with a few scraps of food, was killed and came back to life, spoke in front crowds so huge that people trampled one another and performed sundry other miracles......yet not one contemporaneous historian even mentions him. Even his own followers didn't mention anything until 4 decades after he was dead.

those aren't evidences.

pladecalvo · 05-16-2008, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by All Else Failed

those aren't evidences.

Huh!! Do we have a 'crossed line' here AEF?

FreeWorkVest · 05-16-2008, 08:53 AM

If Jesus didn't exist, that would mean my bible...OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

MMMMatilde · 05-16-2008, 09:06 AM

I'm actually Jesus, so therefore I do exist :| :|

Honestly, I can't say that he is a myth, but I can't say he is a man, until I see it with my own eyes and it can be 100% proven, I'm in both categories..

You can't say something doesn't exist, because anything is possible.. Whether I'd believe in him to be a god or any of that type of shit it is a no... He was just another person/legend and I don't believe in being religious.

NicAuf · 05-16-2008, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by pladecalvo

One could get the same benefits from following the teachings of say....the Buddha, for example?

Oh come on man! Evidence for him abounds all over the world. In the case of Jesus Christ we have someone who allegedly raised people from the dead, walked on water, fed thousands with a few scraps of food, was killed and came back to life, spoke in front crowds so huge that people trampled one another and performed sundry other miracles......yet not one contemporaneous historian even mentions him. Even his own followers didn't mention anything until 4 decades after he was dead.

Oh yeah def. I was just using the teachings of Jesus as an example. There are other religious teachings out there that you could get benefit from as well.

pladecalvo · 05-16-2008, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by NicAuf

Oh yeah def. I was just using the teachings of Jesus as an example. There are other religious teachings out there that you could get benefit from as well.

It's interesting that many of the teachings of Jesus had similarities with those of the Buddha...who was alleged to have lived some 500 years before Jesus was alleged to have lived. There is a school that claims that during the 'missing years' before this Jesus guy took up his ministry...he was with the Buddha, getting 'trained up' as it were!

FreeWorkVest · 05-16-2008, 11:37 AM

Zorastrianism was a religion that started in the Persian Empire that has incredible similarities to Christianity, and was several hundred years before Christ

pladecalvo · 05-16-2008, 11:39 AM

Is it not possible to edit posts on this forum??

pladecalvo · 05-16-2008, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by FreeWorkVest

Zorastrianism was a religion that started in the Persian Empire that has incredible similarities to Christianity, and was several hundred years before Christ

Quite so! In fact we can go back to the Sumerian civilisation, somewhere around 4,000 BCE, and find very similar stories to those found in the Christian Bible. The Epic of Gilgamesh is the same as Noah's flood. The story of Sargon being floated on the Euphrates in a basket made of reeds to avoid being killed. In Sumerian mythology we can find the first concept of 'The Trinity'...Ea - the Father. Bel - the Son and Anu - the Holy Spirit.

FreeWorkVest · 05-16-2008, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by pladecalvo

Quite so! In fact we can go back to the Sumerian civilisation, somewhere around 4,000 BCE, and find very similar stories to those found in the Christian Bible. The Epic of Gilgamesh is the same as Noah's flood. The story of Sargon being floated on the Euphrates in a basket made of reeds to avoid being killed. In Sumerian mythology we can find the first concept of 'The Trinity'...Ea - the Father. Bel - the Son and Anu - the Holy Spirit.

The Hebrew faith was an oral tradition for a very long time. What makes you think the Sumerians didn't take those myths from the Hebrews?

Pudding Time · 05-16-2008, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pladecalvo

One could get the same benefits from following the teachings of say....the Buddha, for example?

Oh come on man! Evidence for him abounds all over the world. In the case of Jesus Christ we have someone who allegedly raised people from the dead, walked on water, fed thousands with a few scraps of food, was killed and came back to life, spoke in front crowds so huge that people trampled one another and performed sundry other miracles......yet not one contemporaneous historian even mentions him. Even his own followers didn't mention anything until 4 decades after he was dead.

you keep saying evidence is abound, yet you still haven't mentioned one piece of evidence..

pladecalvo · 05-16-2008, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by FreeWorkVest

The Hebrew faith was an oral tradition for a very long time. What makes you think the Sumerians didn't take those myths from the Hebrews?

Well, if memory serves, the Hebrews don't appear in history until about 1200BCE. The Sumerians on the other hand, date from around 4,000BCE, disappearing from history around 2000BCE. If my date lines are correct, that means the Sumerians had come and gone before the Hebrews appeared.

pladecalvo · 05-16-2008, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pudding Time

you keep saying evidence is abound, yet you still haven't mentioned one piece of evidence..

....for what?

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