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Old 05-15-2008, 11:46 AM   #31
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I believe Jesus of the bible was real. I don't expect nor demand that anyone else does, I just hope.
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Ok.. now you have gone loopy..

I'm just pointing out that there is no proof of him, alexander, moon landings, or big foot.. We have only heard of these from other people, and we pick and choose what we believe..
No you've gone loopy if you don't think there is proof of Christ, Alexander, Moon Landings...

I'll give you a pass on big foot though ... rofl.

I was just having some fun in my previous post though as I thought you were as well. The caffeine in my coffee this morning has me a little frisky. LOL!
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I believe Jesus of the bible was real. I don't expect nor demand that anyone else does, I just hope.
Yeppers.
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Nice theory..
well, if he was jewish and a teacher, he would be considered a rabbi.
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Old 05-15-2008, 11:55 AM   #35
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2 of Jesus's followers wrote accounts of Christ's life. If their writings are not good enough for folks to believe than the writings regarding the life of Alexander the Great are not believable either and neither are a countless number of other historical writings.

More than a dozen secular authors/texts confirm many events and details that are written about in the New Testament. During a time in history where all historical and biographical writing was focused on the rich, on royalty, on military leaders, on famous people; it is miraculous that Jesus even got mentioned in secular writings; yet he did. Why you may ask? Because he did exist and he is that great.

Archaeology also confirms a huge number of details in the 4 gospels which were once also doubted before archaeological findings and confirmation came to be.

And there are countless other factual tidbits that could be mentioned, but I won't bother to go on.

People either believe or they don't. They either have it in their heart to seek Him or they don't. This post says enough for those that are truly seeking a relationship with the Lord to seek further with all their heart.

And for those that have no desire to seek, no amount of my writings would cause an ounce of fruitation to take place.
Except Alexander the great has numerous references from hundreds of different cultures to attest to his existence.


The only writings of a historical Jesus came well after the fact




I think he was real, but you have to admit that the evidence is very shaky.



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That's right. History is all a facet of our imaginations. And we'd do well to not learn from it. Woot. Party time!
No its not. History is based on hard evidence from multiple sources that can account for each other's findings.



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Ok.. now you have gone loopy..

I'm just pointing out that there is no proof of him, alexander, moon landings, or big foot.. We have only heard of these from other people, and we pick and choose what we believe..

Yes there is, you're just being selectively blind to the evidence.
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:08 PM   #36
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You took a joke and responding to it seriously ... LOL!

And as for your response ... my answer back to you is already in my post that you quoted.

Too funny.
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Whether he existed or not is irrelevant.
It's extremely relevant! If Jesus Christ didn't exist there was no crucifixion, if there was no crucifixion there was no resurrection and without the crucifixion and resurrection, Christianity crumbles like a house of cards.

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2 of Jesus's followers wrote accounts of Christ's life.
Who were they?

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If their writings are not good enough for folks to believe than the writings regarding the life of Alexander the Great are not believable either and neither are a countless number of other historical writings.
Alexander was a know historical figure. We have coins with his portrait on. We have statues, records of his exploits by contemporaneous historians,inscriptions on buildings of the time, cities named after him.

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More than a dozen secular authors/texts confirm many events and details that are written about in the New Testament. During a time in history where all historical and biographical writing was focused on the rich, on royalty, on military leaders, on famous people; it is miraculous that Jesus even got mentioned in secular writings; yet he did. Why you may ask? Because he did exist and he is that great.
Please give the names of these dozen or so secular authors. The first anyone ever heard of Jesus was from the rantings of Paul...about 30 years after the alleged events.

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Archaeology also confirms a huge number of details in the 4 gospels which were once also doubted before archaeological findings and confirmation came to be.
Archaeology has also proved the Gospels wrong on many occasions. Nazareth is a good example.

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And there are countless other factual tidbits that could be mentioned, but I won't bother to go on.
Oh please do...with the evidence please.


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There's no proof.. Just like grace said, it's just like Alexander...
Stacks of evidence to show the existence of Alexander.
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:24 PM   #38
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Pladecalvo, as much as I'd love to take you out for a nice lunch and share with you what it has taken me over 30 years to learn, I just don't have the time to. But if you are truly interested, get off the Internet, go to a local community college library and you'll find many resources with all the answers to your questions.

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Pladecalvo, as much as I'd love to take you out for a nice lunch and share with you what it has taken me over 30 years to learn, I just don't have the time to. But if you are truly interested, get off the Internet, go to a local community college library and you'll find many resources with all the answers to your questions.

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I don't need to do that Gracie. I've studied Christianity for 40 years. I'm fascinated by it and more so, why theists employ reason and logic to dismiss thousands of supernatural entities but when it comes to their gods they throw that same reason and logic out of the window and rely instead on 'faith'. There is no contemporaneous evidence for the existence of Jesus or Jesus Christ. If you think there is then produce it.
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I don't need to do that Gracie. I've studied Christianity for 40 years.
Well then you don't need or even really want me to produce anything. You have decided what you believe and that is that. What I did bother to take the time to type out and produce for you, you poo-poo'd anyway.

I have no desire to debate you on this issue as quite frankly I save that energy and effort for my college classes/papers. Again .... people either believe or they don't. They either have it in their heart to seek Him or they don't.

Many of my posts on this forum say enough for those that are truly seeking a relationship with the Lord to encourage them to seek the Lord further with all their heart. And for those that have no desire to seek out a relationship with God, such as yourself, no amount of my writings would make a hill of beans difference to you anyway.

I have no beef with you over that. You are you and your choice is your choice. More power to you.
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This post is similar to the one I made in the Bible: Fact of Fiction? thread....I'm no expert on these things, nonetheless I have formed opinions. No Jesus may or may not have existed. The Bible may or may not be true.

However, as I stated before, one can still get some good out the teachings of Jesus told about in the Bible. Though a person may not exist does not mean their words can't influence you. So even though the existence of Jesus is debated (as shown with this thread) as well is the Bible's authenticity, one can still draw meaningful morals from the man and book. I think that is what is important.
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Nobody named Jesus ever existed. Well not as the Bible depicts him.
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No you've gone loopy if you don't think there is proof of Christ, Alexander, Moon Landings...

I'll give you a pass on big foot though ... rofl.

I was just having some fun in my previous post though as I thought you were as well. The caffeine in my coffee this morning has me a little frisky. LOL!
If you think about it.. you can't prove these things at all...
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