Originally Posted by Hexidecimal

Yeah that was made up after....

Originally Posted by Hexidecimal

what an AEF? and young?

Originally Posted by RecklessTim

We know for a fact that the Saturn rockets left earth orbit. That in itself was the hardest part of the trip. So what makes you think that landing on the moon was that big of a step from that point? Are you saying that we invested all that time and effort just to get a rocket to cruise around space for a while and not go to the moon? And to top that off with the photo's and video taken from lunar orbit and on the planet itself (thousands of high res pictures) I find it very improbable that it was faked.

Could those photo's have been faked? sure, anything is possible. But taking into account the absolute perfect attention to detail in accuracy, I do not think it was faked.

Take this into consideration... At the time we visited the moon, the most powerful telescope we had could not take close up pictures of the landing site. We would have to guess at the terrain to recreate it here on earth to properly fake it. Fast forward to today with the Hubble telescope that can see at a resolution of .03 arc seconds. That shows enough detail of the landing site to show that it matches the photo's perfectly... something that could not have been done by guessing 40 years ago.
Now if you are asking why we can't see the Rover or other objects left on the surface of the moon with the Hubble... that's because it would need a resolution of .002 arc seconds to see a 4 meter object at the current distance.

So I will believe until there is proof otherwise, not speculation, but proof.

Originally Posted by COOL_BREEZE2

Oh, BTW merciless Pounder. Good answer.

Originally Posted by groundpounder

ummmm, no. He likes to argue and appears to be extremely hard headed, os in that respect he has it nailed.

But he doesn't make good points. From time to time, AEF trips and stumbles across a lucid thought. I don't see it happening here. AEF would NEVER come with an argument that stated as its main thrust, "It was all faked and filmed in a studio (as far as I'm concerned."

He's MUCH better than that.

Originally Posted by groundpounder

yes. this new one seems bullheaded enough to stay in here long enough to make himself look silly.

Tim clearly has more facts than I, so I will let our fearless leader charge us into battle. My role here is simply moral support and apparently grammAr patrol.

Originally Posted by groundpounder

many thanks...




ummmm, no. He likes to argue and appears to be extremely hard headed, os in that respect he has it nailed.

But he doesn't make good points. From time to time, AEF trips and stumbles across a lucid thought. I don't see it happening here. AEF would NEVER come with an argument that stated as its main thrust, "It was all faked and filmed in a studio (as far as I'm concerned."

He's MUCH better than that.

Originally Posted by groundpounder

yes. this new one seems bullheaded enough to stay in here long enough to make himself look silly.

Tim clearly has more facts than I, so I will let our fearless leader charge us into battle. My role here is simply moral support and apparently grammAr patrol.

Originally Posted by ssl

If we did, why are we not sending more and more humans out into the "last frontier?" The west was a frontier, and everyone went everywhere.
Because it costs a fucking fortune, is why they don't do it more often .. they do it plenty enough though.

If we did not, why are we not working on sending out humans into the vastness of space, starting with our own moon?
Um .. we do .. There have been several trips to space .. plus several to Mars.

The moon, either way, would be a perfect training place for getting used to space, with trips back to earth for supplies, and the squeamish. Not only that, why do we not colonize the moon? It is not like there are native species (that I know of) that exist on the surface that are using its resources.
You can't train to go somewhere by actually going there .. that would defeat the purpose of "training" to go there .. by seeing if you can handle it without dying. IF it affects you adversely during training .. you don't get to go, that'd be hard to do if they just stuck you in a rocket and jetted your ass off first. lol

Originally Posted by Hexidecimal

MMMmmm OK, you have the advantage, I dont know what AEF is, The moon landing is often a good thing to discuss, Im not passionate about it and dont wish to cause issues.

Why would you think I would make myself look silly? if I really had to debate and discuss issues thats not a problem, this is all light hearted.

wait till I start my flat earth thread.

anyway...


Moon landings tim was a race against the Russians, if the US could land on the moon before them, it would be huge!

the US had space flight funds, but not enough for a moon landing (we can`t even do it in 2008!) so the space race began. it was easier to fake the whole thing with careful planning..

did you know there are no stars in the sky from photos from the moon? there was no crater left from the lunar module, rocks had moved, reflections in the helmets had the wrong lighting, the sun from a certain point should of been visible but it wasnt.

and can someone tell me what the AEF is?

vielen dank, sprecht spater....

Hexi.