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Old 05-05-2008, 11:36 AM   #151
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No. Calling someone closed minded because they disbelieve something without logic is pretty accurate.



If you've thought rationally about both sides of the argument, then you could form a logical reason as to why you disbelieve the conspiracy, thus not being closed minded.
Then how about you consider this: The Apollo Lunar Module did have a throttle, capable of going anywhere between 10,125 lbs of thrust and 1,250 lbs of thrust.

Throttling Back To The Moon

http://web.mit.edu/digitalapollo/Doc...r8/setplem.pdf

Apollo Lunar Module - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I've been an absolute space junkie since I was about 5 years old. I've read numerous arguments both for and against the moon landing. Believe me, my opinion is not based in one internet thread.
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Old 05-05-2008, 11:37 AM   #152
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Old 05-05-2008, 11:37 AM   #153
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No, you just made an outside observation on technology we both have very little knowledge about. I doubt anyone here knows the fine specifics of rocket boosters and throttles.


Plus, the whole throttle thing doesn't make the moon landing fake.
You are right, it doesn't make the moon landing fake. But what it does it tarnish that guys credibility.

You don't need to know much about rocket science to know that rockets don't have throttles. This is something you learn in high school. I dunno, maybe you took different classes than I did, or maybe you were away for that part of class.

I even linked you to a source, talking about how NASA are still trying to get throttles on rockets.

All this I provide to you, yet you still brush it aside for no logical reason.
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Old 05-05-2008, 11:38 AM   #154
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Old 05-05-2008, 11:39 AM   #155
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so, donnie, did we or didn't we??
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Old 05-05-2008, 11:40 AM   #156
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so, donnie, did we or didn't we??
It's my opinion that we did. Unless of course every single independent geologist worldwide who's studied the material brought back was lying
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Old 05-05-2008, 11:41 AM   #157
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Then how about you consider this: The Apollo Lunar Module did have a throttle, capable of going anywhere between 10,125 lbs of thrust and 1,250 lbs of thrust.

Throttling Back To The Moon

http://web.mit.edu/digitalapollo/Doc...r8/setplem.pdf

Apollo Lunar Module - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I've been an absolute space junkie since I was about 5 years old. I've read numerous arguments both for and against the moon landing. Believe me, my opinion is not based in one internet thread.
I was never talking about YOUR opinion donnie..


And this is absolutely amazing! NASA have no idea that they already had this technology! They can't be all too bright over there huh?
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I was never talking about YOUR opinion donnie..


And this is absolutely amazing! NASA have no idea that they already had this technology! They can't be all too bright over there huh?
If they'd just watch Apollo 13 they'll see it in the scene where they correct their course using the LEM's engine
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If they'd just watch Apollo 13 they'll see it in the scene where they correct their course using the LEM's engine
Do you know if there's a video of this online??
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Do you know if there's a video of this online??
Beats me, I've never looked for it. I guess you could search YouTube
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Beats me, I've never looked for it. I guess you could search YouTube
What exactly am I looking for then? I'd assume there would be a lot of different videos of the moon landing and everything leading up to it.
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Here's a cool link for ya PT:

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/Hi...StudyGuide.pdf

It has mockups of the actual control panels. Page 3 shows the gauge with the % Thrust on it. Page 19 shows the selector switch for either automatic or manual throttle.

Here's a diagram that shows the Thrust Translation Controller
http://www.fi.edu/pieces/schutte/moo...mcontrols2.jpg

And here's another great article explaining why they needed to control the thrust:
LM News Reference: Guidance, Navigation and Control

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During the descent phase, the LM must be slowed (braked) to place it in a transfer orbit from which it can make a soft landing on the lunar surface. To accomplish braking, descent engine thrust is controllable so that the precise velocity (feet per second) necessary to alter the vehicle's trajectory can be achieved. For a soft landing on the lunar surface, the weight of the LM must be matched by an upward force so that a state of equilibrium exists, and from this point, the descent engine is shut off and the LM free falls to the lunar surface. The thrust of the descent engine provides this upward force, and since the weight of the vehicle is a variable (due to consumption of expendables) this is another reason why the magnitude of the engine thrust is controllable. In addition, the center of gravity is also variable and the thrust must be such that it is in line with the LM center of gravity. This is accomplished by gimbaling (tilting) the descent engine.
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What exactly am I looking for then? I'd assume there would be a lot of different videos of the moon landing and everything leading up to it.
I was referring to the Tom Hanks movie, kinda tongue in cheek
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Here's a cool link for ya PT:

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/Hi...StudyGuide.pdf

It has mockups of the actual control panels. Page 3 shows the gauge with the % Thrust on it. Page 19 shows the selector switch for either automatic or manual throttle.

Here's a diagram that shows the Thrust Translation Controller
http://www.fi.edu/pieces/schutte/moo...mcontrols2.jpg

And here's another great article explaining why they needed to control the thrust:
LM News Reference: Guidance, Navigation and Control

It really is amazing that they had this technology back then, and are now trying to develope the technology now.

Rocket Tests Move NASA Closer To The Lunar Vision
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It really is amazing that they had this technology back then, and are now trying to develope the technology now.

Rocket Tests Move NASA Closer To The Lunar Vision
It's not the same technology. This is MUCH more advanced, as stated in your article.

The Apollo landers used hypergolic propellants, meaning it was two liquids that ignite when they come in contact. At the time it was pretty revolutionary, but now it's "old news".

Your article is about cryogenic propulsion, which is the new fad in rocket designs. It's still very much in the testing phase. To the best of my knowledge, no rocket has actually even flown using cryogenic propellants.

I'm not a rocket scientist, and I'm sure Evan could probably elaborate quite a bit more, but it's not even close to the same technology.
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