LiberalVichy

I have no problem with abstract concepts, since that's what all logical concepts are. Furthermore, I consider good to be an abstract concept, and a logical one. And no, it doesn't, if you understand what the numbers and symbols mean it is impossible to conceive of any situation in which 2 + 2 did not equal 5. Numbers are a consequence of the fact that discrete entities do exist in the Universe, if it were all some sort of formless fog there would be no numbers (or us). Physical reality and abstract logical thought are no in the least contradictory or different; neither could exist without the other, reality exists within a framework of logic and logic is a result of the existence of something (concepts like the laws of logic would make no sense if there were not things to be true or false).

I have no idea how you got this idea that I had any problem with abstract concepts. Everything I was critiquing was how moral relatavism makes concepts like 'good' and 'justice' impossible; only by a logical understanding of the meaning of good can we form any conception of what is moral and what is good cannot contradict reality nor be 'irrational' any more than anything which exists can contradict logic; they are equivalent.

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"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently." - Fritz

COOL_BREEZE2

2+2 = 22

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Yeah, there always after my lucky charms. What? Why does every one always laugh when I say that. They are after me lucky charms. What?

Obdurate

That's what I've always thought too.

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Give me the dust of my fathers
Stand on the face of the ancients
Bare the secret flesh of time itself

IntruderLS1

LOL haven't we already covered this style of argument? I think the man called you out on it pretty strongly a few pages back.

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AbriannaPeto

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Not all 'young people' listen to the media.

IntruderLS1

Presidents don't spend half of their lives writing their own speaches?!?


What's your point?

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FreeWorkVest

President Clinton was well know for his extemporanious speaches. He was involved in the writing of every speack he gave. President Bush was probably playing with his army men when this was written

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TEAM KIKI

gillibean

pladecalvo

You are entitled to think so.

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You never hear in the news... 200 killed today when Atheist rebels took heavy shelling from the Agnostic stronghold in the North.- Doug Stanhope

COOL_BREEZE2

too.

Give Jack his jacket, he was/is an excellent orater. One of the best there is.

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Yeah, there always after my lucky charms. What? Why does every one always laugh when I say that. They are after me lucky charms. What?

IntruderLS1

I think I missed a turn somewhere. What are we talking about?

Presidential speaches?

**looks around lost**

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Minor Axis

I find your avatar tastless and without merit. My guess is you intend that.

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"I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of Men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the Age of Men comes crashing down, but it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!"