All Else Failed

Pretty straight forward, why do some faithful people pray and pray for something good, and not have it come to fruition, while some do?


Think of the countless people who have prayed for a dying relative, and have them die. Where was god? What about people who have prayed to god for their relative to get better and they did get better? Did they do something different?

BreakfastSurreal

We can pray, but we can't control what God will do...if it's someones time, then that is in his plan, and there is nothing we can do to change that...praying for poeple is uplifting to them though, and sometimes if we truly pray and are following God's will for our lives then he will answer prayer..he respects those who respect him.

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All Else Failed

Well wouldn't god answering a prayer to keep someone alive going against "their time"?


It seems kind of wrong to me that god would ignore some prayers just because they don't respect him 100%. Seems like there's a special privledge system set up.

memento_mori

it seems like prayer is more of a ritual to take your mind off the subject at hand

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Kat

never mind...

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All Else Failed

Why would he not want to save a dying child

Kat

nevermind...

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memento_mori

i hate the idea everything happens for a reason. everything happening for a reason implies everything's predestined towards some sort of goal that no one knows or questions. it's weak thinking and just accepting things the way they are, even when you can still get something out of it or change the future with it.

things dont happen for a reason, reasons happen for things because we want to figure out what will happen next.

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Kat

So are you saying i am weak thinking then? and before you even answer i am NOT. things happen for a reason...it is up to us to decide which reason...and which way we will turn our lives around it.

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memento_mori

so why not depend on yourself? or society? things will work out for you occasionally, but sad to say sometimes it wont go your way. the difference is you can actually try to save the dying child, and you know where you plan to go.

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Kat

ugh i give up...too much going on right now to get into all of this...sorry i stepped in at all

*excuses herself from the thread*

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memento_mori

people don't know 'the reason' until after it's happened. 20/20 hindsight- except worse, because you dont actually know what happened, you're theorizing. theres no evidence, theres no testing, you have experiences but the memories become blurred and distorted to match the reason youve decided everything has happened for, it becomes logical to you, and should be obvious to everyone else. i dont call that reasoning.

so why wasnt the baby saved? because it was part of god's plan? god's magical ability to look into the future, see the baby was going to be a rapist, and decide he shouldnt live? how about other reason: the mother wasnt paying enough attention, the crib was poorly manufactured, the baby had some sort of disease...

i think 'it's all part of gods plan' takes away from our ability to look at the situation and learn from it. because as you say, god doesnt always do what our prayers want. and if god's going to help someone, god's going to help people who help themselves.

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All Else Failed

He would have known if that child was going to be a rapist....so he waits until the child is born and lets him slowly die to keep him...from being a rapist?

Kat

as i said ignore every damn thing i said in this thread please.

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All Else Failed

Why? Whats the point of discussion then?