Magic P

Look, he knows what you are going to do but he doesn't decide anything for you. He knows where you are going so he's trying to give you opportunities by bringing people or events in your life. But if you don't get it or decided to do whatever you want. Then it's ur problem.

Reaver

Look: by knowing what you will do, your actions are dictated for you. If it is already known to God what you will do, and his logic is infallible, then you cannot do anything but what he has seen you doing. THEREFORE, UNDER THE RULES OF OMNISCIENCE, FREE WILL DOES NOT EXIST, since to make your own decision would contradict omniscience's very basis. It's not that complicated. I'm just giving you an example of the logical fallacies of omniscience/free will. You can say "My definition of omniscience is ____" It doesn't stop my point from being totally valid and correct under the recognized dictionary definition of the concept.

All I'm saying is that the theories of omniscience and free will cannot co-exist without contradictions.

Make personal attacks about how I don't understand because I'm an atheist... whatever, it doesn't matter because I am right.

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All Else Failed

If he knows what you're going to do, he has already in some way made you to carry out these actions from birth, otherwise you WOULDN'T know what you would do.

Magic P

I wouldn't know what I would do but he does. My point is just cuz he does doesn't mean we don't have a free will. What's so hard to understand? I mean, for instance, I know someone call Magie and I know she's getting married tomorrow. My knowledge of the upcoming event doesn't stop her from getting married regardless of me liking her decision or not.

TheOriginalJames

That's different. That is a planned event, it's not just a spur of the moment thing.

Let me put it to you like this. God supposedly knew that you were going to be typing this post long long before you were born.

God knew you were going to fight for him on this board long long before you were born.

He already had your life planned out for you - however your free will allows you to change that correct?

Or does it?

How can he know what you're going to do if you have free will?
How can you have free will if he knows what you're going to do?

See the paradox now?

icecuban

yes and no, because he can

Dodge_Sniper

This would be why I hate religion. The irony in this is that if God has already planned our entire lives, and by all of us replying(And not replying), we're all complying with his plans. He's already decided who will argue about this topic, and what side they'll choose. Meaning even if I were to walk away from this topic right now, that's still part of his plan. Granted everything were already planned before we were born.

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icecuban

i dont think its a terribly bad thing. I mean, if everything was truley apart of a domino effect. like, if i set something in motion (regardless of where or how or why), just knowing where everything is at that moment, and moving one thing, if knowledgable enough (which i think god is defined as) would know how everything is going to be effected from that very first instant all the way down the line, no matter how long. like when the bible says that the "word" was in the begining. words themselves were there, because it was going to be an obvious effect of that earlier event (atleast seen from the greater standpoint, like us over a domino line). whether this is all true or not is def debatable, but can easlily make sense, also kind of entertaining, and why not.

icecuban

and as long as its unknown to me, or anyone else for that matter, then i think our free will exists in order for the fate to happen, without the free will "feeling", the correct fate would never materialize, because we wouldnt have the ambition and wonder to perform.

Reaver

Why don't people understand this? If it's predestined and fate is real YOU DON'T ACTUALLY MAKE THE CHOICE. That's just simple ignorance of what will happen to you.

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TheOriginalJames

Blindly following a religion is never a good thing.

I don't care if you have faith but the least you could do is try to explain your reasoning. Or just at least admit that free will and predetermined life courses cannot coexist.

That's like saying two vehicles can occupy the same place at the same time without colliding. The laws of physics tell me otherwise.

Chimera

Uh.......I asked god what the secret of life is.

She showed me her titties...and smiled.

Explained it all as only God can.

Magic P

I think either you guys or me is missing something. I think it's entirely possible to have free will if God knows what you will do. He knows long long time ago what I was going to do and he let me choose to do it. He doesn't interfere what I would type here even if it's something completely against him. And I can change to type up something anti-christ if someone convince me here and he would do nothing. So yeah I have my free will and he does know what I will do ten minutes later. I mean I can pray now and say please give me strength to study after this post, and he will but he doesn't change the outcome of my result cuz it depends on my work. So God does help when you ask him and he could change your future if you turn away from sins and follow him but that's your free will not his choice for you. i have a feeling that we will go around the circle again. Could someone tell me which part im not getting. Why do people think if the creator knows what you will do and have an opinion on what you are doing, then you won't have a free will? To me it's like separate things.

All Else Failed

You have to understand that if he knows what you will do, he already knows if he will send you to heaven or hell. This means your actions are meaningless.

memento_mori

it's more than he knows what you will do, he PLANS what you do. and if everything is in his hands and he can change your path in life, then you're not changing your path in life- therefore you dont have free will.

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