All Else Failed

This passage comes from the extremely popular Christian book, that has sold well over 20 million copies, The purpose driven life:


Because god made you for a reason,
he also decided when you would be
born and how long you would live.
He planned the days of your life in
advance, choosing the exact time of
your birth and death. The bible says:
"You saw me before I was born
and scheduled each day of my life before
I began to breath. Everyday was recorded in your book! [Psalm 139:16]


So, since God has scheduled EXACTLY when you will die.....does that mean he has scheduled all of the abortions that have ever taken place?

Kat

If you want to get technical...and go into the christian teachings since this is a christian book. Abortions follow through with satan having a hold and controling something...also if you die in a crash or something horrid happens that is satans hand..but god will still watch out for you and help your family heal and so on and so forth.

abortions go against his teachings

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All Else Failed

The bible verse says in plain English that God has planned every day of your life out, and has planned when you will die, so I don't see how Satan comes into this.

Kat

ok so this is what i said before...and along with the bible there are the teachings ...satan is the reason bad things happen in other parts of the bible...it says that...that god is not vengeful or unkind.

im not going to look up where it says what...but i know what they teach along with what the bible says...and how people interpret it different...and ya know i usually stay outta these threads for a good reason.

Basically he has a plan...but that doesnt mean satan wont work against him to change it in a bad way. Thats what i was taught while growing up anyways

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Bagel

thats from psalms.. psalms were poems written by david and other prophets.. they are supposed to be inspirational and not taken literaly.

take bible out of context and you can make it say whatever you want..

thats why i don't go to church anymore

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Kat

oh and one more thing sorry...when talking about a passage from the bible...you also have to think about the whole bible...thats how satan comes into this

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dt3

Satan can't be more powerful than god. So you're saying that god chooses when to let Satan affect your life (like the story of Job)? If that's the case, how can any sin be blamed on man? It's Satan's fault and it's also god's fault for allowing Satan to have that effect on us.

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All Else Failed

So when something pops up that people don't agree with, its not supposed to be taken literally? That can turn into a very dangerous slippery slope. "I agree with this, so I'll take it literal, but no no thats too odd I won't except that."

Are not the prophets directly spoken to by god?

All Else Failed

I urge you to read the entire old testament, god is genocidal in that book. Did Satan trick god into killing off humanity in the flood? Destroying sodom and gomorrah?

Its so easy to blame it on one guy (Satan), when in fact god is supposed to be the ultimate power in the universe and the ultimate source of good. If we go by your logic, Satan is far more powerful than god since he can trick humans into his will and god just sits back and watches the violence. If this is true, god is irresponsible.

HottyToddyChick

I believe when it is your time, you will go. If you are supposed to die tomorrow morning, it won't matter if you are watching tv, or flying a plane. If your time is up, there is nothing you can do to stop that.

On the other hand, it is possible to die sooner than you're supposed to. Having a "deadline" doesn't mean nothing can happen to you along the way.

Boomer

Satan can't choose when to end your life. That is up to God and God only. Satan may influence and torment, but he cannot kill you.

No I do not think that the abortions were pre-planned. I think that is a major exageration. IF there is a divine entity, I'm sure it has a mighty fine idea as to what you are going to do, but why would God test our faith if our fate was already pre-determined?

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memento_mori

that verse sounds like predestination to me. which means god kills babies.

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GraceAbounds

Great post! And exactly correct.

And btw there are churches out there today that DO read the Bible in context. It just takes some effort in finding one.

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memento_mori

so if the bible is the word of god, then everything should have a meaning and everything christianity teaches should be traced back to the bible.

if this verse is taken out of context, what context proves it wrong? where's the verse in the bible that says god doesn't plan and run our lives?

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RecklessTim

Where in the bible does it say that the Psalms are not to be taken seriously? Who is it that came to that conclusion?

The Christian faith is based solely on the bible and the bible only. There is NO other word of God that is used. That means that everything, and I mean everything that God wanted you to KNOW is in the bible. So where does it say that you shouldn't take this section literally?


As far as the original post talking about predestination.... Omnipotence and free will don't go together. You cannot be ALL knowing yet tell people that you have your choice in whatever you want to do. Because the second you change something in your life that was bound to happen, you have altered the path that you were on, but if there was an all knowing God, he would have known that, which in turn would mean that it was your path all along.