An interesting Verse from the Bible. - Page 3

All Else Failed · 05-25-2007, 01:35 AM

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Yes he put the tree there...but no he did not put the serpent...recall that the serpent was satan there to tempt them.

God made satan in the first place, and knew what he would do since god is all knowing.

Kat · 05-25-2007, 01:36 AM

sorry corection satan was using the serpent to speak to adam and eve

Kat · 05-25-2007, 01:38 AM

and satan was once one of the hosts of god...but wanted to have power over him so he became a fallen angel...hmm it doesnt specifiy who made angels...so how do you know god made satan...for that reason youd have to go into where god came from and such since the angels were here before creation and such

All Else Failed · 05-25-2007, 01:46 AM

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and satan was once one of the hosts of god...but wanted to have power over him so he became a fallen angel...hmm it doesnt specifiy who made angels...so how do you know god made satan...for that reason youd have to go into where god came from and such since the angels were here before creation and such

God made everything, this is specifically stated in the bible, in genesis.

Also, according to the bible, god was "always around", so in the Christian belief system god has no creator, he always was.

Kat · 05-25-2007, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by All Else Failed

God made everything, this is specifically stated in the bible, in genesis.

Creator of the heavens and earth...but where does it SPECIFY that he made the angels...since you seem so dead set on specifics...you say everything has to be spelled out. It never says angels in there...it tells of the creation of the hevens and earth yes...but umm where does it say about angels...and as for that matter satan had fallen before adam and eve from grace...so hade to have been before the heavens and earth were made...so specify please so im not so lost and confused

SilentEyz · 05-25-2007, 01:52 AM

The Fall Of Lucifer was before the Creation, It was basically a battle of Wills, and Lucifer (who at the time Was God's most loved Angel) lost and was banished to from the Heavens.

All Else Failed · 05-25-2007, 01:55 AM

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Creator of the heavens and earth...but where does it SPECIFY that he made the angels...since you seem so dead set on specifics...you say everything has to be spelled out. It never says angels in there...it tells of the creation of the hevens and earth yes...but umm where does it say about angels...and as for that matter satan had fallen before adam and eve from grace...so hade to have been before the heavens and earth were made...so specify please so im not so lost and confused

Nothing could have come from any place BUT god, since he created EVERYTHING (and that means everything). Just because the bible didn't mention angels in the creation story doesn't mean he didn't make them. It doesn't say anything about a lot of things, yet they were created by him. (supposedly).

SilentEyz · 05-25-2007, 02:03 AM

Actually, Thats not even True, The bible speaks of other Gods, Of the Titans, and even mentions Zues himself. God created man, and he never Claimed to be the only God, Only the Superior God,

Kat · 05-25-2007, 02:04 AM

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The bible verse says in plain English that God has planned every day of your life out, and has planned when you will die, so I don't see how Satan comes into this.

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Prophets are people that had direct connections with god. God LITERALLY talked to them, and they wrote down/preached what he said to them.

[quote] Nothing could have come from any place BUT god, since he created EVERYTHING (and that means everything). Just because the bible didn't mention angels in the creation story doesn't mean he didn't make them. It doesn't say anything about a lot of things, yet they were created by him. (supposedly). [quote]

ok so by the above posts just goes to show that you are making this follow excatally what is written in the bible. so why didnt god tell the prophets that he specifically made angels.

and that last one is especially my favorite thing you said...just because it doesnt say in the bible that our choices could kill us or kill others doesnt mean its not true...just because it doesnt say in the bible that satan could convince people to do something..or affect our choices doenst mean its not true.

Or does that only go for points you are trying to prove?

SilentEyz · 05-25-2007, 02:07 AM

OMG.. I just read the Verse we were talking about, Wow, talk about finding your own explanation.

God Always spoke of a book of life, but its not prewritten, it is a recording of everyday of your life, it is written as you live, as you make your choices, It is the book that decides your fate when you stand before him.

All Else Failed · 05-25-2007, 02:09 AM

[quote=Kat;270552][quote] Nothing could have come from any place BUT god, since he created EVERYTHING (and that means everything). Just because the bible didn't mention angels in the creation story doesn't mean he didn't make them. It doesn't say anything about a lot of things, yet they were created by him. (supposedly).

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ok so by the above posts just goes to show that you are making this follow excatally what is written in the bible. so why didnt god tell the prophets that he specifically made angels.

and that last one is especially my favorite thing you said...just because it doesnt say in the bible that our choices could kill us or kill others doesnt mean its not true...just because it doesnt say in the bible that satan could convince people to do something..or affect our choices doenst mean its not true.

Or does that only go for points you are trying to prove?

Well, seeing as how nothing can exist outside of god's power he had to have created them, soooooo

It doesn't say anything about atoms, or molecules, but he has to have created them as well, and he told the prophets nothing about things like that, so whats your point?

You are missing the point of the thread though. It is stated by the people who TALKED to god, that our lives are predestined. This mean even Adam and eve's lives were already decided, god made them to originate sin.

Kat · 05-25-2007, 02:16 AM

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Nothing could have come from any place BUT god, since he created EVERYTHING (and that means everything). Just because the bible didn't mention angels in the creation story doesn't mean he didn't make them. It doesn't say anything about a lot of things, yet they were created by him. (supposedly).

Well, seeing as how nothing can exist outside of god's power he had to have created them, soooooo

It doesn't say anything about atoms, or molecules, but he has to have created them as well, and he told the prophets nothing about things like that, so whats your point?

You are missing the point of the thread though. It is stated by the people who TALKED to god, that our lives are predestined. This mean even Adam and eve's lives were already decided, god made them to originate sin.

I am not in any way missing the point of this thread. but the debate went on to include other things as well as what was originally debated. So i went with that also.

also the bible was written by man. Man can make mistakes and interpret things in their own way...which would mean that maybe the person who wrote what he said. Didnt copy down word for word. Who are we to know. My belief remains god gave us all freedom to choose what we are to do. and that satan can also affect things. And even then all things work for the good of those who love the lord. which would lead me to believe that even when things go horribly bad. There is a plan...god will heal and shelter you in the palm of his hand. So says the bible

Kat · 05-25-2007, 02:18 AM

and my point was that you say that he didnt mention or not mention something...so it does go by interpretation. What each person believes it to mean. cause any word said can mean something different to everybody.

So even your original post is left for how each person takes it.

All Else Failed · 05-25-2007, 02:19 AM

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I am not in any way missing the point of this thread. but the debate went on to include other things as well as what was originally debated. So i went with that also.

also the bible was written by man. Man can make mistakes and interpret things in their own way...which would mean that maybe the person who wrote what he said. Didnt copy down word for word. Who are we to know. My belief remains god gave us all freedom to choose what we are to do. and that satan can also affect things. And even then all things work for the good of those who love the lord. which would lead me to believe that even when things go horribly bad. There is a plan...god will heal and shelter you in the palm of his hand. So says the bible

So how do you know that man got anything right when they wrote it down? By your logic, you could be following something that is actually going against god and not even know it.

Kat · 05-25-2007, 02:37 AM

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So how do you know that man got anything right when they wrote it down? By your logic, you could be following something that is actually going against god and not even know it.

True...but it is still what i believe that god will take something evil some act to hurt us or another and heal and shelter those who trust him. and now im done here again

05-25-2007, 01:36 AM	#32
Kat Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: CT Posts: 8,148 Tokenz: 4,092	Re: An interesting Verse from the Bible. sorry corection satan was using the serpent to speak to adam and eve __________________ Life is what you make of it....dont waste a moment...it ends too soon

05-25-2007, 01:38 AM	#33
Kat Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: CT Posts: 8,148 Tokenz: 4,092	Re: An interesting Verse from the Bible. and satan was once one of the hosts of god...but wanted to have power over him so he became a fallen angel...hmm it doesnt specifiy who made angels...so how do you know god made satan...for that reason youd have to go into where god came from and such since the angels were here before creation and such __________________ Life is what you make of it....dont waste a moment...it ends too soon

05-25-2007, 01:52 AM	#36
SilentEyz V.I.P User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,619 Tokenz: 1,301	Re: An interesting Verse from the Bible. The Fall Of Lucifer was before the Creation, It was basically a battle of Wills, and Lucifer (who at the time Was God's most loved Angel) lost and was banished to from the Heavens.

05-25-2007, 02:03 AM	#38
SilentEyz V.I.P User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,619 Tokenz: 1,301	Re: An interesting Verse from the Bible. Actually, Thats not even True, The bible speaks of other Gods, Of the Titans, and even mentions Zues himself. God created man, and he never Claimed to be the only God, Only the Superior God,

05-25-2007, 02:07 AM	#40
SilentEyz V.I.P User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,619 Tokenz: 1,301	Re: An interesting Verse from the Bible. OMG.. I just read the Verse we were talking about, Wow, talk about finding your own explanation. God Always spoke of a book of life, but its not prewritten, it is a recording of everyday of your life, it is written as you live, as you make your choices, It is the book that decides your fate when you stand before him.

05-25-2007, 02:18 AM	#43
Kat Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: CT Posts: 8,148 Tokenz: 4,092	Re: An interesting Verse from the Bible. and my point was that you say that he didnt mention or not mention something...so it does go by interpretation. What each person believes it to mean. cause any word said can mean something different to everybody. So even your original post is left for how each person takes it. __________________ Life is what you make of it....dont waste a moment...it ends too soon

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