Hell - Page 2

TheOriginalJames · 05-22-2007, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by icecuban

i do believe in god, i guess in satin to a certain extent, but he is kind of a pussy i think, like a big baby who cant find mommy. i dont believe in hell on the other hand. i think all roads lead to god, good and bad. yes, i do agree, hell is a scare tactic, but even more, i think its mans evil thoughts, ones that feel they need to see bad people burn forever or something. what a sad thought, no comapassion in these peoples hearts. to me, hell is feeling guilty deep down, and feeling totally alone because of it. im not saying everyone is capable of guilt in this world, but i think after, in "that" place, if u go to "hell" you are made to feel the worste pain, and its not physical, but that mental anguish of knowing how lost you are. to me, i think thats the worst pain, to feel really horrible about yourself. but to feel this pain, one would be shown the error in it all, which is the first step toward retribution. i do not wish for hitler to be punished forever, i wish him to feel the pain of realization, and work towards coming back and helping what he may have hurt.

insta-James-rep right there. Finally someone else who see's hell in the same light as I do.

TheOriginalJames · 05-22-2007, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaver

I was unaware there was a difference. I mean, they sure talk about hell alot at the church I used to attend.(quite a while ago)

I don't recall my pastors ever directly talking about Hell. They were to preach the bible and the word of God. If it came up with scripture they'd mention it.

Anyway, I'm just not seeing the correlation of burning in hell for eternity. If it's eternity, you're immortal in the afterlife (if there is one) so I don't see how you could really be bothered by it?

Reaver · 05-22-2007, 10:40 PM

true dat, point well made, even to an atheist.

All Else Failed · 05-22-2007, 10:47 PM

Why won't god just let us rest in peace if we don't believe in him? I mean, he's certainly in a position to make that happen, why does he LET (I'm not saying he sends us there) people go to hell, just because they choose not to believe? I think thats extraordinarily bad of god to let innocent people go to hell for simply living their own life.

Also, if god loves us...and the devil hates us, as you claim...wouldn't someone who loves us try to stop someone who has it out for humanity? It seems awfully irresponsible for him to sit back and watch.

Reaver · 05-22-2007, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by All Else Failed

Why won't god just let us rest in peace if we don't believe in him? I mean, he's certainly in a position to make that happen, why does he LET (I'm not saying he sends us there) people go to hell, just because they choose not to believe? I think thats extraordinarily bad of god to let innocent people go to hell for simply living their own life.

WOW, exactly what I was gonna post. I posted it, then saw yours and edited it to this. great point

icecuban · 05-22-2007, 10:51 PM

i think, that if he is there, like above posts, he wouldnt send u there, it just doesnt fit in the elegant equation. i think though, that a non-believer, if all of a sudden just happened into heaven (which might happen every "day") id have to say they would be happy to be there, and not be like, aaah, just leave me alone. i bet theyd be like, freakn sweet!, this is a much better idea then nothing

Reaver · 05-22-2007, 10:53 PM

sure, thats a great idea, but what we're saying is that a good number of churches and sects tell you that if you don't believe you'll go to hell or you won't be allowed in to heaven. just a point we're trying to make, since no one actually knows who goes where for what.

All Else Failed · 05-22-2007, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by icecuban

i think, that if he is there, like above posts, he wouldnt send u there, it just doesnt fit in the elegant equation. i think though, that a non-believer, if all of a sudden just happened into heaven (which might happen every "day") id have to say they would be happy to be there, and not be like, aaah, just leave me alone. i bet theyd be like, freakn sweet!, this is a much better idea then nothing

I don't see why its such a bad idea to want nothing after we die. Why do so many people WANT stuff? If you ask me, a lot of people are in it for the prize at the end of the race, not the race itself.

Reaver · 05-22-2007, 11:00 PM

All about that payoff, baby! Although, I have met a few people who were in it for the "race".

icecuban · 05-22-2007, 11:01 PM

screw what the church says, they offer a little box to repent to the priest, when all you need is a concious heart and a place to think (which is anywhere, anytime). does that make sense? believe not what u hear, but what u feel. would god really create something to banish it forever, sounds kinda dumb, and not compassionate as they say. i sometimes feel non-believers make better christians because they think before they act. in the bible, Paul, who was a great thinker, was first a lawer who persecuted christians. but he grew to know better, better then any who praised from the womb. i say this, "forget what the church says and listen to us! we are the true believers because our church is where our feet go"

icecuban · 05-22-2007, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by All Else Failed

I don't see why its such a bad idea to want nothing after we die. Why do so many people WANT stuff? If you ask me, a lot of people are in it for the prize at the end of the race, not the race itself.

sad but true, they do good for all the bad reasons. but what im saying is, its not a wanting thing, but a gift thing. u didnt ask to live, but it sure is nice. thats how i picture it, i wish it more for those who dont believe in it then those who do, its like i want to give a present to someone when its not their birthday, unexpected and greatly appreciated

All Else Failed · 05-22-2007, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GraceAbounds

Here is the video I was talking about:
Interview With The Devil

I'm glad that someone knows exactly what the supreme source of hatred and darkness thinks to himself and made a java presentation about it.

All Else Failed · 05-22-2007, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by icecuban

sad but true, they do good for all the bad reasons. but what im saying is, its not a wanting thing, but a gift thing. u didnt ask to live, but it sure is nice. thats how i picture it, i wish it more for those who dont believe in it then those who do, its like i want to give a present to someone when its not their birthday, unexpected and greatly appreciated

I wouldn't want to go to heaven in the first place.

dt3 · 05-22-2007, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by All Else Failed

I'm glad that someone knows exactly what the supreme source of hatred and darkness thinks to himself and made a java presentation about it.

Dude, did you not watch? They interviewed him! They can't make that stuff up just to suit their own purposes!

All Else Failed · 05-22-2007, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dt3

Dude, did you not watch? They interviewed him! They can't make that stuff up just to suit their own purposes!

Oh silly me, how moronic to judge too quickly!

But really, I think they send a bad message in that vid. "I am the source of all evil, I make you do bad things, I am the reason for the evils you do..." Um, doesn't that just take the blame off the person who actually committed the act, and make it easier for them to say "It wasn't my fault I shot those people, its Satan!" ?

05-22-2007, 10:40 PM	#18
Reaver Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Right behind you Posts: 1,173 Tokenz: 501	Re: Hell true dat, point well made, even to an atheist. __________________ <)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))# "Yeah, that dood looks like he will eat the cookies, fuck yer mom, break the milk glass and stab yer pops with it" --Boomer

05-22-2007, 10:47 PM	#19
All Else Failed Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6,562 Tokenz: 8,402	Re: Hell Why won't god just let us rest in peace if we don't believe in him? I mean, he's certainly in a position to make that happen, why does he LET (I'm not saying he sends us there) people go to hell, just because they choose not to believe? I think thats extraordinarily bad of god to let innocent people go to hell for simply living their own life. Also, if god loves us...and the devil hates us, as you claim...wouldn't someone who loves us try to stop someone who has it out for humanity? It seems awfully irresponsible for him to sit back and watch. Last edited by All Else Failed; 05-22-2007 at 10:49 PM.

05-22-2007, 10:51 PM	#21
icecuban Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: concord, nh Posts: 447 Tokenz: 12	Re: Hell i think, that if he is there, like above posts, he wouldnt send u there, it just doesnt fit in the elegant equation. i think though, that a non-believer, if all of a sudden just happened into heaven (which might happen every "day") id have to say they would be happy to be there, and not be like, aaah, just leave me alone. i bet theyd be like, freakn sweet!, this is a much better idea then nothing

05-22-2007, 10:53 PM	#22
Reaver Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Right behind you Posts: 1,173 Tokenz: 501	Re: Hell sure, thats a great idea, but what we're saying is that a good number of churches and sects tell you that if you don't believe you'll go to hell or you won't be allowed in to heaven. just a point we're trying to make, since no one actually knows who goes where for what. __________________ <)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))# "Yeah, that dood looks like he will eat the cookies, fuck yer mom, break the milk glass and stab yer pops with it" --Boomer

05-22-2007, 11:00 PM	#24
Reaver Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Right behind you Posts: 1,173 Tokenz: 501	Re: Hell All about that payoff, baby! Although, I have met a few people who were in it for the "race". __________________ <)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))# "Yeah, that dood looks like he will eat the cookies, fuck yer mom, break the milk glass and stab yer pops with it" --Boomer

05-22-2007, 11:01 PM	#25
icecuban Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: concord, nh Posts: 447 Tokenz: 12	Re: Hell screw what the church says, they offer a little box to repent to the priest, when all you need is a concious heart and a place to think (which is anywhere, anytime). does that make sense? believe not what u hear, but what u feel. would god really create something to banish it forever, sounds kinda dumb, and not compassionate as they say. i sometimes feel non-believers make better christians because they think before they act. in the bible, Paul, who was a great thinker, was first a lawer who persecuted christians. but he grew to know better, better then any who praised from the womb. i say this, "forget what the church says and listen to us! we are the true believers because our church is where our feet go"

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