Would Jesus Hate?

Tara · 05-15-2007, 05:47 PM

Do you think Jesus would hate gay and bisexual people?

drb · 05-15-2007, 05:51 PM

you can't really answer this unless you know the guy personally. i'd never presume, but if you want to base this on his teachings no i don't think he would hate ANYONE period.

memento_mori · 05-15-2007, 05:54 PM

i think it's kind of hard to argue.

maybe? judas did give him a kiss before selling him out. he offered forgiveness to people who wanted to repent for their sins, and if gay/bisexuality is a sin, plenty of gay/bisexual people dont plan on repenting.

dt3 · 05-15-2007, 05:58 PM

If you believe Jesus is God (the whole trinity thing), then he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. So I think he's safe to say he doesn't approve. If you believe in that kinda thing.

GraceAbounds · 05-15-2007, 05:59 PM

No, I do not believe that Jesus hates gays or bisexuals. There is a difference between disapproving of sin and hating someone.

GuesSAngel · 05-15-2007, 06:03 PM

i could care less.

Peter Parka · 05-15-2007, 06:04 PM

Well what do you think? Seeing you cant seem to make your mind up if you're a man or a woman I understand your confusion!

Boomer · 05-15-2007, 06:06 PM

LOL I love the red square! Good stuff. No, I dont think Jesus would hate anyone.

All Else Failed · 05-15-2007, 06:10 PM

Well, if you look at who Jesus was, and where he came from, I think you can make some guess. I mean, He was a normal Jew of his time, who gradually became aware of his divine authority (supposedly), so I would guess that he had negative thoughts towards gays, since the jewish culture he was raised in punished homosexuality by death.

Here are some passages from the New testament about homosexuality: Homosexuality in the New Testament

(Click on the verse number to see the actual text)

Peter Parka · 05-15-2007, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by All Else Failed

Well, if you look at who Jesus was, and where he came from, I think you can make some guess. I mean, He was a normal Jew of his time, who gradually became aware of his divine authority (supposedly), so I would guess that he had negative thoughts towards gays, since the jewish culture he was raised in punished homosexuality by death.

If you believe in Jesus though, you will know that he was there to squash the Jews as the chosen nation and open up Gods people to the whole world. Seem to remember his two commandments were
1 Love God with your whole heart, soul , mind and strengh
2 Love your neighbour as your self

memento_mori · 05-15-2007, 06:22 PM

in Mark chapter 11:

Now the next day, when they had come out from Bethany, He was hungry. And seeing from afar a fig tree having leaves, He went to see if perhaps He would find something on it. When He came to it, He found nothing but leaves,for it was not the season for figs. In response Jesus said to it, “Let no one eat fruit from you ever again.” And His disciples heard it.... Now in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots. And Peter, remembering, said to Him, “Rabbi, look! The fig tree which You cursed has withered away” (11:12-14,21-22, emp. added).

modern biblical scholars believe this passage is using symbols to hide jesus' hate for homosexuals. jesus couldn't just come out and say he hated homosexuals because of the strong gay rights movement going on at the time of biblical palestine.

but if you'll notice the fig tree is barron, and chooses not to produce fruit or children. the same is true of homosexuals. you will aslo note that 'fig' is one letter off from spelling 'fag'. this kind of euphemism is common in the bible.

Peter Parka · 05-15-2007, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by memento_mori

in Mark chapter 11:

Now the next day, when they had come out from Bethany, He was hungry. And seeing from afar a fig tree having leaves, He went to see if perhaps He would find something on it. When He came to it, He found nothing but leaves,for it was not the season for figs. In response Jesus said to it, “Let no one eat fruit from you ever again.” And His disciples heard it.... Now in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots. And Peter, remembering, said to Him, “Rabbi, look! The fig tree which You cursed has withered away” (11:12-14,21-22, emp. added).

modern biblical scholars believe this passage is using symbols to hide jesus' hate for homosexuals. jesus couldn't just come out and say he hated homosexuals because of the strong gay rights movement going on at the time of biblical palestine.

but if you'll notice the fig tree is barron, and chooses not to produce fruit or children. the same is true of homosexuals. you will aslo note that 'fig' is one letter off from spelling 'fag'. this kind of euphemism is common in the bible.

Or it could be people reading into it too much for their own means. Personally I didn't see the homophobic references in that.

All Else Failed · 05-15-2007, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Parka

If you believe in Jesus though, you will know that he was there to squash the Jews as the chosen nation and open up Gods people to the whole world. Seem to remember his two commandments were
1 Love God with your whole heart, soul , mind and strengh
2 Love your neighbour as your self

That may be so, but others have surmised that Jesus was only there to save Jews. They say that "Love thy neighbor" just really meant "Love thy Jewish neighbor".

But who knows.

memento_mori · 05-15-2007, 06:45 PM

Romans

1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Peter Parka · 05-15-2007, 06:51 PM

AEF - Yes some might see that but it's just random speculation

MM - I do think the Bible is homophobic, some of what you say proves that to me, other passages dont.

05-15-2007, 05:47 PM	#1
Tara Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 29 Tokenz: 123	Would Jesus Hate? Do you think Jesus would hate gay and bisexual people? __________________ "Life is only hell if you make it" -Levi Ryan

05-15-2007, 05:51 PM	#2
drb V.I.P User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: between a rock and a hard place Posts: 1,747 Tokenz: 1,096	Re: Would Jesus Hate? you can't really answer this unless you know the guy personally. i'd never presume, but if you want to base this on his teachings no i don't think he would hate ANYONE period.

05-15-2007, 05:54 PM	#3
memento_mori Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,662 Tokenz: 1,778	Re: Would Jesus Hate? i think it's kind of hard to argue. maybe? judas did give him a kiss before selling him out. he offered forgiveness to people who wanted to repent for their sins, and if gay/bisexuality is a sin, plenty of gay/bisexual people dont plan on repenting. __________________ Genius and Insanity are only separated by varying degrees of success.

05-15-2007, 05:58 PM	#4
dt3 Horseman #2 Staff Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 19,228 Tokenz: 5,689	Re: Would Jesus Hate? If you believe Jesus is God (the whole trinity thing), then he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. So I think he's safe to say he doesn't approve. If you believe in that kinda thing. __________________ Charter Member of The Conservatives In Exile 11/5/2008

05-15-2007, 05:59 PM	#5
GraceAbounds V.I.P User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 7,325 Tokenz: 2,024	Re: Would Jesus Hate? No, I do not believe that Jesus hates gays or bisexuals. There is a difference between disapproving of sin and hating someone.

05-15-2007, 06:03 PM	#6
GuesSAngel The newest, greatest mom in the world Staff Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: PA Posts: 14,933 Tokenz: 24,160	Re: Would Jesus Hate? i could care less.

05-15-2007, 06:04 PM	#7
Peter Parka King Of Cunts Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Harlow, Essex, England Posts: 24,137 Tokenz: 48,373	Re: Would Jesus Hate? Well what do you think? Seeing you cant seem to make your mind up if you're a man or a woman I understand your confusion! __________________

05-15-2007, 06:06 PM	#8
Boomer Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Houston Texas Posts: 14,318 Tokenz: 16,861	Re: Would Jesus Hate? LOL I love the red square! Good stuff. No, I dont think Jesus would hate anyone. __________________ Horseman #4 Fuckos!!!

05-15-2007, 06:10 PM	#9
All Else Failed Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6,562 Tokenz: 8,402	Re: Would Jesus Hate? Well, if you look at who Jesus was, and where he came from, I think you can make some guess. I mean, He was a normal Jew of his time, who gradually became aware of his divine authority (supposedly), so I would guess that he had negative thoughts towards gays, since the jewish culture he was raised in punished homosexuality by death. Here are some passages from the New testament about homosexuality: Homosexuality in the New Testament (Click on the verse number to see the actual text)

05-15-2007, 06:22 PM	#11
memento_mori Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,662 Tokenz: 1,778	Re: Would Jesus Hate? in Mark chapter 11: Now the next day, when they had come out from Bethany, He was hungry. And seeing from afar a fig tree having leaves, He went to see if perhaps He would find something on it. When He came to it, He found nothing but leaves,for it was not the season for figs. In response Jesus said to it, “Let no one eat fruit from you ever again.” And His disciples heard it.... Now in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots. And Peter, remembering, said to Him, “Rabbi, look! The fig tree which You cursed has withered away” (11:12-14,21-22, emp. added). modern biblical scholars believe this passage is using symbols to hide jesus' hate for homosexuals. jesus couldn't just come out and say he hated homosexuals because of the strong gay rights movement going on at the time of biblical palestine. but if you'll notice the fig tree is barron, and chooses not to produce fruit or children. the same is true of homosexuals. you will aslo note that 'fig' is one letter off from spelling 'fag'. this kind of euphemism is common in the bible. __________________ Genius and Insanity are only separated by varying degrees of success.

05-15-2007, 06:45 PM	#14
memento_mori Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,662 Tokenz: 1,778	Re: Would Jesus Hate? Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 1:27 And likewise also the men, *leaving the natural use of the woman,* burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. __________________ Genius and Insanity are only separated by varying degrees of success.

05-15-2007, 06:51 PM	#15
Peter Parka King Of Cunts Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Harlow, Essex, England Posts: 24,137 Tokenz: 48,373	Re: Would Jesus Hate? AEF - Yes some might see that but it's just random speculation MM - I do think the Bible is homophobic, some of what you say proves that to me, other passages dont. __________________

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