Blackwater_GT

I look in my childs eyes and see a gift from heaven.
I look up at the sky at night and see God.


No I dont think schools should teach creatinism, But you can have students and teachers discuss spirituality cant you? Is it so wrong for someone to stand up for what they believe in.

I like thinking positive it's very healthy. Praying helps me stay on the positive side. Some people think that positive thinking and healthy behavior makes you feel better and gives you more energy.

As far as the ID thing in schools. Maybe a seletive course in High school or College. I think the concept is to complicated for the average person to comprehend anyway.

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AtlanticBlue99

it should be an optional college course IMO, because im in high school (sophomore) and understand it only becasue of prior sciences i have taken. i also believe the average person cannot comprehend the sciences involved in validation of creationism so should not take the course.

i, as well as many of my friends, am religious and a faith is truly healthy. if the odds arent in your favor, faith can carry you on to the next day to try again. every day is a new day.

but

faith should not be discussed during regular school hours between teachers and students- it is unnaceptable. now before or after school when a student chooses to be there, not is forced to be, discussion should carry on freely about whatever subject a speaker/listener chooses. if they dont like it, they can leave...

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Blackwater_GT

I understand completely about not wanting a teacher to teach a student about something they have no qualifications to todo. Thats why they should have trained Theoligins in school. I can rember many times when I was in the service on ships and out in op areas we had priests Rabbis Clerics, Pators that would walk among the servicemen and women and administer to there own and yes sometmes even witness to the unbelieving. This is way it should be at schools also because some schools are like war zones.

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OUZBnd

Definitely a good prospective class for college, then again, you can teach ANYTHING in college, and most likely a class of this sort already exists if you go to a decent size school. And man, you are only a soph. in HS? You come across as a really intelligent guy, especially for your age (thats a compliment).

AtlanticBlue99

thanks kevin- got my respect bro, yep a soph in hs- 16 back in november. 1st love= family friends.. 2nd = mustangs. im glad i stumbled upon MF and got transferred over here and then to MM.com too so i can be a part of the growing community. its good to chat with those who are smarter than avg. b/c avg/ talk gets boring sometimes. usually, i like to have a carefree attitude and i tend to let a lot of things slide personally. im one of those people who (when motivated) can excel. but i am also a die hard for respect being earned, not given. that usually gets me in trouble with authority figures at school, but hs is warmup for college.

but most of all, i like speed :rock anything with wheels and speed, or on water too.cor snow. extreme stuff.

we need more of these threads with great, thoughtful, and intelligent debates IMO.

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lemon

intelligent design can be taught in only one manner of fashion: steps

1) A design must always be appealing or no one will want to design it.

2) To make your design intelligently, you must first have intelligence.

3) If you are intelligent and have an appealing design, then you have no further need of teachings.

^^^ :rofl :funnah :rofl (my brother did that, while i put the top up on my mustang...)

lemon

the underlying question is what you believe how the universe got to how it is today....

personally, i dont care, it really doesnt concern me most of the time, only when i cant get to sleep and my mind just wanders to what happens after death and that just snowballs into many things... :tard



































































ps: i like sounding somewhat intelligent, even if im completely wrong

karma279

Atlantic.... you are a sophomore in HS? Absolutely amazing.... I would never have guessed that. Keep on the path that you are on brother. But beware.... don't trust all of you scholars. You will read too much into them (now knowing your age.. and age is not just a number.) :-)
"The Path to Tranquility: Daily Wisdom" ~Dalai Lama

"The most important thing is practice in daily life; then you can
know gradually the true value of religion. Doctrine is not meant for
mere knowledge, but for the improvement of our minds. In order to do
that, it must be part of our life. If you put religious doctrine in
a building and when you leave the building depart from the practices,
you cannot gain its value." ~Dalai Lama
Everyone should take heed to this quote... regardless of their religious doctrine. I myself am a Buddhist.... not quite Zen. But who is?

Let's keep this type of discussion going..... I'm up for rolling on, or starting a new topic. Enlightenment is all about beginnings.

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AtlanticBlue99

im christian, but not catholic. no offense to catholics, but why do they pray to the virgin mary? just b/c she gave birth to jesus doesnt make her worth worshiping to in my book. i would rather praise the person who took a stand for what is right and gave his life for my sins (in my faith)

there is always criticism on the whole birth scenario of jesus and if mary just pretended to be virgin... but what does all that matter? i look at jesus as a role model. he did amazing things such as turn away peer pressure, stand up for what is right, even if others think it is wrong. that is one of the lessons i've learned in life: "dont succumb to the corporate machine" dont do things just because everyone else is doing it too.. it isnt always right

i know i will never be able to turn away certain things that may seem appealing at the time, but if i learn from mistakes and try to not remake them, i will be a better person. and i will die in 70 years or so anyway so all the satisfaction i receive on earth in my life will be only temporary. complete and total satisfaction comes from a faith, so when you die, your mind and soul have a home awaiting them (at least that is what i truly believe)

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lemon

ill see you in hell bro.... :rofl :funnah :rofl just kidding man, i dont want to discourage you in your walk in life, we may believe differently, but as long as we dont declare war on each other in the name of our beliefs, i think we can get along... somehow

artisan00

its good that this thread turned pretty civil - everyone seems to have some mutual respect for one another.

atlantic, i know you heard this already, but might as well say it again - you do leave a pretty inteligent impression, as long as you keep your convictions solid youll be set for college and beyond ( i just graduated college a year ago, but you seem just as smart it not smarter than a lot of people i went with... and i went to a pretty good school... )

i also respect your reigious beliefs, even if they are not mine - its alwasys good when people realize what is important about religion. im not christian, but hearning someone say all that about it is refreshing. im atcually jewish - but a lot of the same things apply. bottom line, is that (extremists aside, of course, im not one, and you dont seem like one either) i think anyone can get along....

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AtlanticBlue99

o yes, i dont feel as though i cant get along with people here. im up for friendly debates. i always like to learn new stuff as well. some of these current events debates havent interested me much so i didnt get as involved, but if i like the subject being discussed, my posts are sure to be coming.

and thanks guys for the compliments. much appreciated.

and lemon- yea i have a respect for everyone here and im pretty open minded to hearing new things. politically, i am middle-right. subjects such as abortion, gay rights, and all are always a good debate, but i cant put myself in a females POV for the abortion one. some of the new liberal agendas being put forth frighten me and the future of our nation. what we need (economically) is not a quick fix, but a plan for a healthier economy for future generations- and i think we are on a good path. we just need to get the hell outta irag and kick some ass. if bush could solve issues diplomatically, this would be an even better nation (from a global POV)

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lemon

what i think is we should just drop an H-bomb for christmas when we leave iraq... but thats what i think...

and you _seem_ to be very intelligent, or at least someone who thinks things much more thoughowly then i do, and thats good, cuz i dont want to be the nerd ..

other than that, i enjoy debate as long as i can keep my tounge curbed...
(or however that would translate to being in the context of this fourm)

AtlanticBlue99

with iraq- well a lot of those people (not being stereotypically racist or anything) are not doing things legally. in afghanistan, over 1/2 of the GNP was from farming of marijuana and other illicit drugs. drugs are running through these undeveloped nations with a craze. hindu kush is a new popular brand of pot grown in the hindu kush region of afghanistan.

the middle east is fucked up now too. im glad we live in the western hemisphere :banana

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Blackwater_GT

Let me clear the praying to Mary thing up for you. its not just the Catholics but also Orthodox Christians, Coptics, Armenians. The reason they pray to the Saints (Mary is a Saint by the way) is for intercession.
The more people you have praying for you on your behalf the better, and having a Saint in heaven to intercede on your behalf is very good.
An interesting thing I heard about the presidents of the USA is that they have prayer groups that pray to God on specific things. Reagon had a couple of Revernds and Clinton had a minister with him when he had to make decisions. Dubbya you know has Jerry Falwell, (the Moral majority) praying for him plus Pat Robertson.

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